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Ludicrous Speed 07-12-2012 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by stickwiggler (Post 197060)
You want a single reason? Here's one. Getting an airline pilot job is just too damn easy. As short as 10 years ago, a pilot would have to flight instruct for years, then go fly 135 for another year or two. Then if he didn't kill him/herself flying checks in a C401 at night single pilot with no radar, he applied (and usually paid more $) and got a job where he sat in the right seat of a turbo prop for another 2 to 3 years. Then after 5 to 7 years that pilot would go the right seat of the jet or captain in the prop.

Today.... graduate, get your license and you have a job. There is no respect for the position. What use to take years of blood sweat and tears, is now an expectation or many feel an entitlement.

rant complete.

Stick

Nicely said!:)

Ludicrous Speed 07-12-2012 07:59 AM

Whether he's suffering from Kleptomania or not, this guy needs to see a psychiatrist to save his career!


Kleptomania is the irresistible urge to steal items that you generally don't really need and that usually have little value. Kleptomania (klep-toe-MAY-knee-uh) is a serious mental health disorder that can cause much emotional pain to you and your loved ones if not treated.

Kleptomania is a type of impulse control disorder — a disorder in which you can't resist the temptation or drive to perform an act that's harmful to you or someone else.

Many people with kleptomania live lives of secret shame because they're afraid to seek mental health treatment. Although there's no cure for kleptomania, treatment with medication or psychotherapy may be able to help end the cycle of compulsive stealing.



sandlapper223 07-12-2012 08:07 AM

Maybe the FAA should pull his ticket for failure "to be of good moral character" that is required in our profession.

wrxpilot 07-12-2012 08:21 AM

So what ever happened to this idiot? The story is five years old...

Emb170man 07-12-2012 08:35 AM

The Zombie Apocalypse must be starting. First the brian eating out west, then the face eater in miami, now this thread that died long ago has come back to life to walk among the living!

MrBigAir 07-12-2012 11:02 AM

I love the knee-jerk posting without reading the dates are going down to see the last post.

I thought the Dylan guitar story was interesting.

CaptKrunch 07-12-2012 12:07 PM

I love when people bring up the backpack. 99% of pilots I have seen lugging a backpack or a guitar have been old mainline guys. Claiming its so much better now that they have ship charts.......I am sure the next rule the FAA is going to implement is 600TPIC Before you can put blinking lights on your roll aboard wheels.

JamesNoBrakes 07-12-2012 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by stickwiggler (Post 197060)
You want a single reason? Here's one. Getting an airline pilot job is just too damn easy. As short as 10 years ago, a pilot would have to flight instruct for years, then go fly 135 for another year or two. Then if he didn't kill him/herself flying checks in a C401 at night single pilot with no radar, he applied (and usually paid more $) and got a job where he sat in the right seat of a turbo prop for another 2 to 3 years. Then after 5 to 7 years that pilot would go the right seat of the jet or captain in the prop.

Today.... graduate, get your license and you have a job. There is no respect for the position. What use to take years of blood sweat and tears, is now an expectation or many feel an entitlement.

rant complete.

Stick

Well, to be fair, those 135 jobs aren't that plentiful as we find ways to be more efficient and not have to burn Jet-A to transport any and everything, especially short distances. Checks are done electronically. More businesses are using electronic means of correspondence, and so on. Then there's the myriad of regional airlines that shouldn't even exist in the first place, as they were propped up by creditors to buy airplanes and kept from failing by the government regulations. If you stick your neck out and put in the hard work, there's no reasonable means of reward or being successful. It's not that people want a free-ride, but there has to be at least a reasonable possibility of attaining something better. So with the industry as it is, it's hard to blame the pilots that you are getting. No one worth their two cents would be getting into the game now. As a society, we all want to have things cheap and not pay the true cost. We want to be able to send huge packages for just a few bucks. We want to travel across the country for only a few hundred dollars. We want gas at a dollar a gallon. We want all these things, and if given the option of the quick and easy which may be or is unsustainable, we choose it 100% of the time. This goes both ways, don't just blame the younger "generation", blame yourself for making all of the above choices, and if you can't do that, blame the businesses that gave you those choices, and if you can't do that, blame the government that allowed the business to give you those choices. Human nature is pretty clear, and there are good guys out there that want to make a difference and do the right thing, although it seems like most people like to deny the implications of their decisions and have to have the right thing "forced" on them...

f16jetmech 07-12-2012 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by stickwiggler:197060

Originally Posted by belliott (Post 197004)
You gotta be kidding me!!!! ***! I can't think of a single reason why a pilot should compromise his/her career for a stupid Ipod.... I cannot fathom why this would happen. Thanks to whoever it was.... tarnishing the profession.... jerk.


You want a single reason? Here's one. Getting an airline pilot job is just too damn easy. As short as 10 years ago, a pilot would have to flight instruct for years, then go fly 135 for another year or two. Then if he didn't kill him/herself flying checks in a C401 at night single pilot with no radar, he applied (and usually paid more $) and got a job where he sat in the right seat of a turbo prop for another 2 to 3 years. Then after 5 to 7 years that pilot would go the right seat of the jet or captain in the prop.

Today.... graduate, get your license and you have a job. There is no respect for the position. What use to take years of blood sweat and tears, is now an expectation or many feel an entitlement.

rant complete.

Stick

Last time I check it was 1500 TT. When.is the last time it was wet commercial besides a very short stint in '07? Genuinely asking. Don't get too high on your horse.

Da Magic 07-12-2012 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by f16jetmech (Post 1228859)
Last time I check it was 1500 TT. When.is the last time it was wet commercial besides a very short stint in '07? Genuinely asking. Don't get too high on your horse.

Hahaha Love when people don't read the dates of the threads


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