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Old 05-04-2024, 03:32 PM
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I have my ATP written complete. If I go and get my full ATP rating either in a twin piston at my own expense, or during my upcoming Pt 135 recurrant, will that help or hurt my chances of getting hired by a regional?

It could help because I am seen as more qualified and less of a risk.

It could also hurt because then they can't hold the ATP/CPT training costs over me to stay for a given amount of time, thus not being beholden to them.

Anyone know which way this wind blows?
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Old 05-04-2024, 04:43 PM
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Like why are you even asking this question?
Is getting your ATP on your own dime an increase or a decrease of your qualifications?
In a cooling market make yourself stand out and add to your qualifications.
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Old 05-04-2024, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 121noob View Post
I have my ATP written complete. If I go and get my full ATP rating either in a twin piston at my own expense, or during my upcoming Pt 135 recurrant, will that help or hurt my chances of getting hired by a regional?

It could help because I am seen as more qualified and less of a risk.

It could also hurt because then they can't hold the ATP/CPT training costs over me to stay for a given amount of time, thus not being beholden to them.

Anyone know which way this wind blows?
You have a chance to get your ATP in an airplane you already know for a couple days and a few bucks extra? Yes....absolutely do that. I did exactly that many years ago and it worked out well.
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Old 05-05-2024, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by goinaround View Post
You have a chance to get your ATP in an airplane you already know for a couple days and a few bucks extra? Yes....absolutely do that. I did exactly that many years ago and it worked out well.
I did the same if for nothing else but professional development and the very slim chance it would improve my employment outlook even 1%.

This was at a regional where you didn’t need an ATP, and would only get one once you upgraded. I was a few months from upgrade but had the chance to get my ATP for only the cost of the examiner fee. It didn’t end up helping, but sure didn’t hurt either.
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Traditionally, for those old enough that High School wasn't yesterday, obtaining the ATP on our own was standard fare. A pilot who showed up without an ATP may as well go apply at Burger King.

Get your ATP.
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Yeah I walked to school in snow too, but it was only 2.5 miles and only uphill one way. That's a joke, but I actually did do that... as you can imagine I had already bought the car and got my license right when DMV opened on my 16th birthday.


I think the OP's concern is reasonable, I don't know the answer but regionals have engaged in some bizarre practices in the interest of retention at various points in history. But I'd proably just go get the ATP, it's not like that will blackball you from all regionals forever.
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Old 05-05-2024, 05:06 AM
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It will help more than it hurt to be honest….Regionals that have contracts are going to force you to sign their contract to be hired….

What having your ATP does is open doors that normally wouldn’t be open without a ATP such as Part-135 Jet jobs….
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I wasn’t nice in my first answer.
Don’t assume you’ll get anything anywhere from anyone and just keep chipping away at your path.
Which means getting your ATP during your next re qualification.
If it doesn’t get you moving then upgrade at your 135 and start building PIC time.
Enjoy your journey and good luck.
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Originally Posted by 121noob View Post
I have my ATP written complete. If I go and get my full ATP rating either in a twin piston at my own expense, or during my upcoming Pt 135 recurrant, will that help or hurt my chances of getting hired by a regional?

It could help because I am seen as more qualified and less of a risk.

It could also hurt because then they can't hold the ATP/CPT training costs over me to stay for a given amount of time, thus not being beholden to them.

Anyone know which way this wind blows?
May I ask why a regional? Have you applied to any of the ACMIs?
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Old 05-05-2024, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
regionals have engaged in some bizarre practices in the interest of retention at various points in history. But I'd proably just go get the ATP
Will it help with at least some regionals - probably
Will it hurt with some regionals - maybe
Is what you are doing now getting the results you want - no
Will it MAJORLY improve your chances with every single other part of the industry - 100%

So many jobs have a full and unrestricted ATP as an absolute, non-negotiable minimum - get the paper.
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