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Slice 07-28-2007 09:40 AM

No, Capt's do a right seat landing at their PT/PC that quals them for the seat. It probably wasn't a check airman in the right seat.

XtremeF150 07-28-2007 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by Slice (Post 204032)
No, Capt's do a right seat landing at their PT/PC that quals them for the seat. It probably wasn't a check airman in the right seat.

Slice hit it on the head. I know Mesa just has you do a T/O and Landing from the right seat in the sim and this qualifies them for the right seat. As far as the guy being senior to the other, a CA's seniority doesn't matter if it is the other guys line. If both are RSV then the seniority wins the left seat. Although at least they are getting double time for the JA. This means that guy in the right seat was making at least $68 x 2= $136 an hour because he would have to be at least 4 or 5 year to be senior to that other 900 CA.
So as one can see it costs a lot of money to run an airline poorly. I might drag out of bed to ride right seat for 136 an hour too. :D

N2rotation 07-28-2007 03:58 PM

Keep in mind that Mesa pilots are ALPA and gojet were nothing / teamsters now. However, Mesa probably does have one of the worst ALPA contracts out their thanks to the whipsawing of their CEO.

Hopefully Mesa ALPA is getting ready for negotiations that start in September. Support is needed... go after it guys. Block or better or burn it down.

BoilerUP 07-28-2007 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by N2rotation
Hopefully Mesa ALPA is getting ready for negotiations that start in September. Support is needed... go after it guys. Block or better or burn it down.

I have a feeling they're after quite a bit more than just block or better.

Ellen 07-28-2007 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 204009)
It happens at SKW as well, most of the time its new CA’s waiting for IOE who ride the right seat at 150% CA pay. I had a friend who was waiting for CA IOE and flew an 82 hour month as FO. His normal CA pay was $60 an hour and he was still paid his monthly guarantee seeing that all his FO flying was above and beyond his reserve pay, so here's how his month broke down:

Jr Manned: 82 hrs X ($60 X 150%) = $7,380

Plus:

Guarantee: 75 hrs X $60 = $4,500

$7,380 + $4,500 + $425 (per diem) = $12,305

NICE MONTH!


P.S. He couldn’t sitting reserve because he hadn’t finish IOE.


And the Airlines still cry "POOR MOUTH," paying feabile wages to new FO's.

Good Deal for him though. I bet Accounting saw that and FREAKED! "Get him on IOE NOW!!!"

JetJock16 07-28-2007 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 204366)
Good Deal for him though. I bet Accounting saw that and FREAKED! "Get him on IOE NOW!!!"

No, it happens all the time here. As long as the flights don't get canceled they'll plug and play when needed. But it's sad; if they offered more than $19 an hr then they wouldn't have this problem.

Good Day!

ChinookDriver47 07-28-2007 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by N2rotation (Post 204253)
Block or better or burn it down.


I am going to show my newness...what exactly does the above comment mean?

Thanks,

Eric

pete2800 07-28-2007 09:39 PM

Alright, we'll see if I've got this straight...

Block time is the 'expected' flight time for a leg. Block or better means that if you complete the flight in less than the expected time, you still get paid for the block. However, if you get delayed and the flight takes longer....you get paid for what you flew.

From my feeble understanding, Mesa doesn't pay more than block, even if you get delayed...

Any corrections?
-Ben

JetJock16 07-29-2007 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by pete2800 (Post 204386)
Alright, we'll see if I've got this straight...

Block time is the 'expected' flight time for a leg. Block or better means that if you complete the flight in less than the expected time, you still get paid for the block. However, if you get delayed and the flight takes longer....you get paid for what you flew.

From my feeble understanding, Mesa doesn't pay more than block, even if you get delayed...

Any corrections?
-Ben

Actually it's worse, MAG doesn't pay more than Historic Block which is the average over time. Most times that's much less than block seeing that block takes into account expected delays such as 15th in line at rush hour, flying the full route including DP's, SID's and approaches.

Block or better means you get the higher of Historic Block and Actual Block.

Block is basically from when the brake is dropped for push back to when the brake is set after taxi in.

blastboy 07-29-2007 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 204558)
Actually it's worse, MAG doesn't pay more than Historic Block which is the average over time. Most times that's much less than block seeing that block takes into account expected delays such as 15th in line at rush hour, flying the full route including DP's, SID's and approaches.

Block or better means you get the higher of Historic Block and Actual Block.

Block is basically from when the brake is dropped for push back to when the brake is set after taxi in.

I'm having trouble understanding this as well. I always assumed that it was block or better. So when you say historic block does that mean they take a 5 day trip, for example, and calculate the average for those 5 days?

day 1: 7hrs
day 2: 5hrs
day 3: 8hrs
day 4: 4hrs
day 5: 8hrs

grand total = 32 hrs
average = 6.4 hrs/day

I don't think my arithmatic is making sense to even me but I just want to get a general idea of how average block and historic block works. Gracias.


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