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Originally Posted by BitterOHFO (Post 1225829)

I have apps at 2 majors, 1 LCC, 2 cargo companies, 1 fractional, 1 DOD contractor, and for some stupid reason 2 regionals, and waiting to put one in at a startup. Think I have all the options covered.

You forgot the overseas carriers.....

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Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 1228817)

Sorry but you've been lied to.....

CMR mgmt had a policy that to hire a DAL furloughee, they had to resign their DAL position.

ASA had no such policy, nor any other regional. I had friends go to ASA (who along with CMR was growing like gangbusters due to DAL parking the 727 and 737-200 and replacing them with RJ fleet) and they started at the bottom on probation.

DALPA went to the CMR MEC and asked for them to ask CMR mgmt to accept DALPA pilots on furlough for interviews without requiring them to RESIGN from DAL.

CMR MEC said we kind of like the policy anyway, but for a little quid pro quo we'd see what could be done (ultimately nothing). Meanwhile, 100's of DAL furloughees went to ASA, SKYWEST, EXPRESSJET, Horizon, and Jetblue (all with the ability to be recalled until 2014)

Most at DALPA realize that current CMR FO's probably weren't around during that time, but junior DAL pilot's will have a long memory (and short sympathy) for any CMR pilot from the 2001 timeframe. But not to worry, US AIR is hiring.

Kharma does indeed come-round

I'm still shocked at how pilots treat pilots based on what they think the pilot group should have given them. As noted in your post, Comair management instituted the policy for the furloughed Delta pilots to resign their seniority numbers. While it is true that the rank and file elect the union leadership it is also true that the rank and file members don't get to beat down JCL's or National's door and demand a change to policy. Sure you can commence recall procedures of your elected officials but how time consuming is that? I fully support priority treatment for any furloughed pilot but get off your entitlement horse.

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Originally Posted by OceanicPilot (Post 1228845)

You forgot the overseas carriers.....

Guess I can add that to the list. Finished my emirates app the other day.

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Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 1228817)

I wasn't aware of these events when I started at Comair, but from what I've learned since then, I wonder why Delta management didn't ask Comair management to change Comair management's policy? Ultimately, Delta calls the shots at Comair. While I believe a letter of support from JC would have been the proper response, I also feel that such a letter would do nothing to actually change the policy.

Here is (I believe) the letter in question:

TO: Comair Pilots
FROM: J.C. Lawson, Comair MEC Chairman
DATE: December 16, 2002
Your MEC met in CVG with the Delta MEC Chairman, Captain Will Buergey, at his request, to discuss preferential hiring of furloughed Delta pilots at Comair. Through this letter, I hope to dispel rumors and provide a more thorough understanding of the purpose and outcome of that meeting.

The Delta MEC, while in session at the bi-annual October Board of Directors meeting in Hollywood, Florida, formally directed the Delta MEC Chairman via resolution to meet with the Comair MEC Chairman to seek preferential hiring for furloughed Delta pilots at Comair while allowing them to retain their Delta seniority.

The general philosophy held by the Comair MEC is:

We are sensitive to the regrettable plight of all furloughed pilots in our industry.
We encourage our management to hire pilots who seek a future at Comair.
We have formally approached Comair management and our management has agreed to preferential hiring of furloughed ALPA pilots.
We agree with our company's policy that requires prospective Comair pilots to resign their seniority at their previous carrier.
We believe our Company's industry-standard policy requiring seniority resignation is sound and wise. It promotes the general health and welfare of all Comair employees and serves to protect the future of our company.
At our meeting in CVG, Captain Buergey offered preferential hiring to Comair pilots if the Comair MEC would recommend to Comair management that they hire furloughed Delta pilots and allow them to retain their Delta seniority.
Your MEC responded that hiring any pilots at Comair who do not resign their seniority at their previous carrier gives rise to numerous substantive concerns. The Delta MEC's offer of (future) preferential hiring at Delta is not sufficiently substantive to overcome those concerns and solicit Comair pilots' support. We suggested three alternative concepts, any one or all of which might lead to a mutually beneficial solution:

Relax the Delta PWA, Section 1, seat restrictions imposed upon Comair and ASA that limit our growth in 70-seat and larger airframes.
Negotiate Delta Brand Scope language with Delta management that defines all Delta flying within the Delta revenue stream to be performed solely by Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots.
Negotiate a plan for future integration of our Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots seniority lists that fairly recognizes the efforts and contributions of all.

The Comair MEC stands ready to work with the collective MEC's to bring about change that makes sense in a challenging economic environment and works for all pilots who perform flying under the Delta brand. As we stated in the Tuesday, December 3rd meeting, our door is still open.

COMAIR MEC
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
SUITE 120 3940 OLYMPIC BOULEVARD ERLANGER, KY 41018
859-282-9016 FAX 859-283-5533

While I strongly disagree with JC's decision, I'm curious what happened next? If this letter is factual, it appears DALPA made an offer and JC counter-offered. Was there any response to the counter-offer, or at that point did DALPA slam the door on JC and his rogue gang of arrogant regional pilots?

That letter is the very heart of the displeasure DAL pilots had/have for the CMR pilot group. I'm guessing that previous DAL management also didn't care for CMR pilots because of the strike. Even today CMR pilots carry the stigma of JC's fu. I laugh when jumpseaters and current DAL FO's aren't upfront with their CMR roots. It isn't the first thing they mention.

As for me, I really don't care about JC. But... CMR guys have been the only guys in the industry to treat me badly on an offline commute. Not a jumpseat, but the $20 pass ride we had to buy in '93. So I hate because of that.;)

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Originally Posted by CheapTrick (Post 1229019)

Almost 20 yrs ago. Time to let it go.

There are many self help groups out there so you don't have to do it alone.

Good Luck!!

:rolleyes:

This dead horse again...

Most the guys on this thread were hired 2004 and later...

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Originally Posted by BlueMoon (Post 1229103)

Most the guys on this thread were hired 2004 and later...

and have already moved on from Comair...

this is the most recent news from Epic....... (ouch)

TO: FROM: SUBJECT:
All Employees Ryan Gumm, President Comair Update
July 13, 2012
In view of significant changes in the economic and competitive conditions in the regional airline industry in recent years, we have been advised that Delta continues to explore strategic alternatives for Comair, as they have previously communicated. I expect Delta to make a decision by the end of July on that strategic direction. We do not anticipate any further communication regarding Delta’s plan for Comair until a final decision has been made. At the same time, we commit to keeping you advised of developments.
Thank you for your continued professionalism and focus on safety and the operation. Please remember to take care of your fellow crewmembers and our customers each day out on the line.

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Originally Posted by Pilotguy143 (Post 1229186)

this is the most recent news from Epic....... (ouch)

TO: FROM: SUBJECT:
All Employees Ryan Gumm, President Comair Update
July 13, 2012
In view of significant changes in the economic and competitive conditions in the regional airline industry in recent years, we have been advised that Delta continues to explore strategic alternatives for Comair, as they have previously communicated. I expect Delta to make a decision by the end of July on that strategic direction. We do not anticipate any further communication regarding Delta’s plan for Comair until a final decision has been made. At the same time, we commit to keeping you advised of developments.
Thank you for your continued professionalism and focus on safety and the operation. Please remember to take care of your fellow crewmembers and our customers each day out on the line.

This sounds pretty final to me.