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On Autopilot 09-05-2007 06:08 AM

Comair updates?
 
Hello everyone. Hey I know this has been beaten to bare feet, but I jumpseated in on Comair yesterday, and was told to update my stuff at airline apps. I fellow pilot told me that Comair is about to ramp up hiring again due to the fact of sooooooo many pilots leaving, even with lower mins they can't get enough to replace the attrition. I also heard once they restart, mins are going to go to Comm. Inst. ME.

Any truth to the rumor ?? What have you heard?

Thanks.

RiddleEagle18 09-05-2007 06:54 AM

It is true there is alot of attrition here right now. Last month 30 pilots left. We have been averaging about that many for at least 6 months. Last months breakdown was 10 CA and 20 FO.

We are scheduled for 3 new hire classes in October after only having 1 in August and 2 in September.

Pilot Vacancy bid closes today with 34 captain upgrades. (Company memo says expect 60 more upgrades in first quarter of 08.)

Havent heard anything about new hiring mins.

garritto 09-05-2007 06:56 AM

Rumor is that hiring will increase to 50/month in october and beyond.

ladder1423 09-05-2007 07:35 AM

I just quit there so that is one more opening;) FO that is.

riddlegrad 09-05-2007 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by garritto (Post 225898)
Rumor is that hiring will increase to 50/month in october and beyond.


I don't see how that is possible, or why. it seems to me that there are plenty of FO's. I haven't been flying in over 2 weeks. i was on for 6 days 1 off and now im on the back side of 5 days on. and nothing-- no trips in open time or anything..This seems to be the norm from all the people i have talked to. even new hires just off IOE have been doing nothing.. usually they want to fly them first to get there 100.. so who knows--time will tell i guess:confused:

Paok 09-05-2007 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by riddlegrad (Post 225915)
I don't see how that is possible, or why. it seems to me that there are plenty of FO's. I haven't been flying in over 2 weeks. i was on for 6 days 1 off and now im on the back side of 5 days on. and nothing-- no trips in open time or anything..This seems to be the norm from all the people i have talked to. even new hires just off IOE have been doing nothing.. usually they want to fly them first to get there 100.. so who knows--time will tell i guess:confused:


JFK is way overstaffed with FO's I hear new hires are going to start going to CVG....just a rumor around here though... I didnt fly for over 20 days, right after IOE, let me tell u, that was interesting considaring i only had like 40 hours in the plane....

cyrcadian 09-05-2007 09:59 AM

Not flying on reserve is a good thing.

saxman66 09-05-2007 10:01 AM

I've been flying quite a bit since IOE. Just about to hit 100 hours. I'm at JFK too. I pretty much got this whole month already scheduled, except a few days with nothing yet. But I have heard that others guys aren't flying as much. Just hold on to your 100 hour sheet a little longer :) You just won't be able to fly into DCA, like I have been about every trip. But yeah, it seems they have too many guys on reserve in JFK. However my CA right now, said he's been called out just about everyday! We'll just wait till winter and the weather displaces everyone.

As far as hiring, I'm not sure whats going on these days. I'm really hoping for a Boston base to open. I'd take that in a second. But "due to staffing" thats not happening.

MikeB525 09-05-2007 11:15 AM

What's driving the mass exodus right now?

TristarJS30 09-05-2007 11:33 AM

Seems everyone I know or heard of that has left has been hired by a major or fractional company. Most guys that said they'd leave "as soon as we get the bankruptcy pay-out" are probably leaving now and in the near future. You couldn't expect people to leave the day after the pay-out, as we all know in this industry its a long drawn out process to find and get a job and you'd be silly to leave without another job lined up.

Also, the 4-5+ year upgrade and long reserve times in CVG and JFK (Captains) is probably driving the desire to search elsewhere.

WMU05 09-05-2007 02:09 PM

what are the time requirments.. are they still 600/100??

ladder1423 09-05-2007 02:31 PM

They are not hard on the 600/100, I heard of a guy with like 390 and a commercial multi

Joepa84 09-05-2007 02:49 PM

Would there have been a CRJ course involved in that newhire?

Diver Driver 09-05-2007 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by Joepa84 (Post 226147)
Would there have been a CRJ course involved in that newhire?

Yes, that or they had a type rating of some kind. In my class everyone is close to the published minumums or over except for some of the folks that have type ratings and/or CRJ courses.

mperrizo 09-05-2007 04:35 PM

I am junior in CVG but last month broke guarntee and flew every day available except for one. Friends in JFK say if nothing is preassigned on their line they sit.

Paok 09-05-2007 04:56 PM

I think I am going to be on reserve forever.........I am JFK

ExperimentalAB 09-05-2007 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by Paok (Post 226219)
I think I am going to be on reserve forever.........I am JFK

How long have you been off IOE? Is there a light at the end of the tunnel for a Line?! Yikes :eek:

Speedbird172 09-05-2007 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by Paok (Post 226219)
I think I am going to be on reserve forever.........I am JFK

I'm not sure which class you are, I'm 7/30; another class started last Monday 8/27 and I believe another is starting this coming Monday, so hiring is starting to speed up again. Hopefully this will reduce reserve a bit.

On Autopilot 09-06-2007 03:42 AM


Originally Posted by Diver Driver (Post 226192)
Yes, that or they had a type rating of some kind. In my class everyone is close to the published minumums or over except for some of the folks that have type ratings and/or CRJ courses.

So Diver, I'm typed in the Shorts 360, should I give Comair a call or just build a little more time? Anyone, feel free to answer.

riddlegrad 09-06-2007 04:32 AM


Originally Posted by On Autopilot (Post 226384)
So Diver, I'm typed in the Shorts 360, should I give Comair a call or just build a little more time? Anyone, feel free to answer.


Well auto if your times are close to 6 and 1 which I'm not sure of, but you got a type and prior 121 experience in the shorts??

Welcome to comair-
If comair is were you want to be that is..:) Just put your stuff in it cannot hurt.

RiddleEagle18 09-06-2007 05:31 AM

Sort of related. Pilot vacancy bid awards.

CR7 CA - 4/2000 DOH
CVG CA - 12/2001 DOH
JFK CA - 11/2002 DOH

New hire FO could pretty much hold either base and within just a few months hold the 70/90.

Paok 09-06-2007 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by Speedbird172 (Post 226268)
I'm not sure which class you are, I'm 7/30; another class started last Monday 8/27 and I believe another is starting this coming Monday, so hiring is starting to speed up again. Hopefully this will reduce reserve a bit.


Yeah but a class a month is not like what it was when I was hired and it was 4 classes a month, we were just counting each week how many people we had under us, and then BAM.....hiring slows..... I started class early may, been off IOE since beginning of August....Take a look at numbers on those transfers...... when people above you go to CVG, just as MANY if not more transfer in from MCO...so basically you stay in the same spot...I hope my math is off, but from what it shows I will be on reserve for a very long time

ERJ Driver 09-06-2007 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by ladder1423 (Post 225913)
I just quit there so that is one more opening;) FO that is.

Hey man, is it ok if I ask where you are going? Lateral move or up the food chain?

IFLY21 09-06-2007 01:24 PM

Lets just put it this way.. I was hired in on 1/15 completed IOE in april, sat a few months of reserve, held a line for two months, and now I'm one of the most senior reserve guys in JFK. Next month approx. 9 GSO guys are coming followed by 12 MCO guys in November. So I have gone from holding a line to being displaced 20 from a line in 2 months. As far as being on reserve forever..I could see that for anyone hired from May on. I would expect at least 9+ months company wide.

Paok 09-06-2007 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by IFLY21 (Post 226611)
Lets just put it this way.. I was hired in on 1/15 completed IOE in april, sat a few months of reserve, held a line for two months, and now I'm one of the most senior reserve guys in JFK. Next month approx. 9 GSO guys are coming followed by 12 MCO guys in November. So I have gone from holding a line to being displaced 20 from a line in 2 months. As far as being on reserve forever..I could see that for anyone hired from May on. I would expect at least 9+ months company wide.


I knew this was going to happen, my math was right..... At least for you when the MCO guys come, a ton of FO's below you are leaving (my class, and the class ahead of me, like ALL of them)..... I shoulda got a crashpad, this driving up to Ny everyday to SIT is killing me

RiddleEagle18 09-06-2007 06:47 PM

Hey guys don't get to down on this sitting around stuff. This is historically one of if not the slowest months for every airline.

Right around the time those MCO guys are supposed to transfer the block hours will start to pick up again for the holidays.

Also don't forget that yes those MCO guys are transferring, but the flying out of that base was not lost. The block hours from the base have to go somewhere.

If you look at the MCO bid packets for the last several months most of the trips started out or ended with a deadhead so basically the guys were deadheading to a JFK or CVG trip and picking up a baulk of their schedules in and out of the other bases.

So the block hours should follow the transfers.

Fly Safe :)

IFLY21 09-06-2007 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by Paok (Post 226738)
I knew this was going to happen, my math was right..... At least for you when the MCO guys come, a ton of FO's below you are leaving (my class, and the class ahead of me, like ALL of them)..... I shoulda got a crashpad, this driving up to Ny everyday to SIT is killing me

I'm actually transferring back to CVG myself.. (I waited to this recent vacancy to bid back.) But looking at the movement- upgrades (most are all CVG FO's) and CVG 50 seat FO's transferring to the 70 seater... its looking like I'll move up roughly 30 some spots being pretty close to if not holding a line in CVG. But then again by that time I'll have been here a year too... so take it for whatever its worth.

cessna126 09-07-2007 04:06 AM

I went back to CVG in june and have not been flying at al. 35 hours in July 20 in August. I have not flown since the 16th of August. I have not even sat a ready since then. I seem to be sitting right on the edge of getting a line. It seems like they are transfering more people to CVG but not giving anymore lines out. Then they go and change my L2 window to an A4 so I am sitting in a hotel for 2 days and not getting called...kinda sucks but oh well

Paok 09-07-2007 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by cessna126 (Post 226890)
I went back to CVG in june and have not been flying at al. 35 hours in July 20 in August. I have not flown since the 16th of August. I have not even sat a ready since then. I seem to be sitting right on the edge of getting a line. It seems like they are transfering more people to CVG but not giving anymore lines out. Then they go and change my L2 window to an A4 so I am sitting in a hotel for 2 days and not getting called...kinda sucks but oh well

At least your not sitting at a rest stop sleeping in the car like me....haha! Stupid NYC traffic 2 hour call is INSANE to make....even from Manhattan... I flew like 8 hours in August....Im not complaining but i just dont understand when some people from my class BROKE GUARENTEE and I flew 8 hours, just seems like there is NO logic

cessna126 09-07-2007 06:51 AM

It's all based on call out order. I dont bid to fly and being senior on reserve I dont get any flights added at the beginning of the month. Being on L2 it is kind of limited on how they can use you. Also inverse order of seniority means I have around 50 people that are junior to me. And with the decrease in block hours it only means less flying. I wish they would of offered a COLA for CVG FO's like they did in JFK.

RiddleEagle18 09-07-2007 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 226749)
Hey guys don't get to down on this sitting around stuff. This is historically one of if not the slowest months for every airline.

Right around the time those MCO guys are supposed to transfer the block hours will start to pick up again for the holidays.

Also don't forget that yes those MCO guys are transferring, but the flying out of that base was not lost. The block hours from the base have to go somewhere.

If you look at the MCO bid packets for the last several months most of the trips started out or ended with a deadhead so basically the guys were deadheading to a JFK or CVG trip and picking up a baulk of their schedules in and out of the other bases.

So the block hours should follow the transfers.

Fly Safe :)

1600 hour increase in block hours in JFK for Oct. Enjoy your lines!

Fly Safe!

riddlegrad 09-07-2007 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 226979)
1600 hour increase in block hours in JFK for Oct. Enjoy your lines!

Fly Safe!


what!!!!!where did you hear this nonsense??
:eek::eek:

RiddleEagle18 09-07-2007 08:43 AM

look in the bid packet. They just came out!

Zenbio 09-07-2007 09:27 AM

I hope that `1600 hrs extra flight time helps me get off reserve. What are you guys gona try to bid? I was gona bid MD off to get all my days off in a row but that might not be the smartest thing if they will be giving lines out (I HOPE).

The Chow 09-07-2007 10:04 AM

How do you tell?
 
I was wondering if there is any way of telling whether or not I'll be able to hold line ahead of time?

The Chow

Paok 09-07-2007 01:21 PM

PLEASE more flying to JFK....please sweet jesus!!! I Cant sit on Staten Island another day

dbo861 09-07-2007 07:00 PM

Even if we don't get lines, the increase in block hours should mean more flying for us reserve guys...shouldn't it?

down2mins 09-07-2007 07:07 PM

I don't understand the call list either. I got off IOE in mid August and broke guarantee by a fair amt. last month. I have been on reserve since and have flown all but 1 day. My classmates have not received 1 trip until an out & back yesterday. I'm already up there to my 75, while everyone else hasn't flown since IOE. Hotel beds beat the crashpad though!!

cessna126 09-07-2007 08:09 PM

I think the call outs go something like this:
Low time (less than 100 hours)
Day match
Bid to fly
Inverse seniority
60 hours credit for the month

Paok 09-08-2007 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by down2mins (Post 227324)
I don't understand the call list either. I got off IOE in mid August and broke guarantee by a fair amt. last month. I have been on reserve since and have flown all but 1 day. My classmates have not received 1 trip until an out & back yesterday. I'm already up there to my 75, while everyone else hasn't flown since IOE. Hotel beds beat the crashpad though!!


Makes me so mad........ I have like 50 hours in the plane and been off IOE WELL over a month...they hate me


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