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cessna157 08-22-2008 11:14 AM

If/When I get furloughed over XMas, do I still get my honeybaked ham?

RJtrashPilot 08-22-2008 11:17 AM

I will be shocked if any of us get those Honey Baked Ham certificates. My money is on it ain't gonna happen.

dbo861 08-22-2008 11:50 AM

Lets see if they offer another Christmas Party you have to pay 40$ to attend.

RJtrashPilot 08-22-2008 12:04 PM

And then they wonder why it will subsequently cancel because of lack of participation and interest.

Boomer 08-22-2008 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by BlueMoon (Post 448168)
You don't do DOH, you do relative seniority. Our senior guys would be PO'ed...but oh well. Being an FO, who was getting near an upgrade before this recent mess started, I would lose out quite a bit...but still relative seniority is the only fair way. I wouldn't think of asking for DOH...I am not that guy.

Roughly two thirds of the Mesaba pilots (and 80% of Compass pilots?) have been hired in the last 1.5 years. If we go relative seniority, a 5-year Comair FO (hired 2003) would be right seat next to a 2007-hire Mesaba or Compass Captain. Fair is fair, right?

I think we (and Mesaba's top 400) should get some kind of credit for "time served" during the buttrapes both pilot groups took in 2006/2007.

Then again, I'm sure the 600-hour kid who hired at Mesaba last July (and will upgrade this year) would consider it fair to push one of Comair's 12-year Captains back onto reserve.

andy171773 08-22-2008 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 448293)
Roughly two thirds of the Mesaba pilots (and 80% of Compass pilots?) have been hired in the last 1.5 years. If we go relative seniority, a 5-year Comair FO (hired 2003) would be right seat next to a 2007-hire Mesaba or Compass Captain. Fair is fair, right?

I think we (and Mesaba's top 400) should get some kind of credit for "time served" during the buttrapes both pilot groups took in 2006/2007.

Then again, I'm sure the 600-hour kid who hired at Mesaba last July (and will upgrade this year) would consider it fair to push one of Comair's 12-year Captains back onto reserve.


I agree, look at USAir and AW, that definition of "fair" isn't fair to anyone. DOH is the closest you're going to get to "fair" (and it's kind of what it would be like with a national seniority list). With the proper fences, it could work.

RJtrashPilot 08-22-2008 01:01 PM

I'm just playing devil's advocate and arguing what they would argue so please don't take this as what I think.

Is it fair to that captain at Mesaba that may be junior to a Comair FO in terms of DOH to be bumped out of his/her seat because he chose to go to Mesaba as opposed to Comair? That Comair FO could have went to Mesaba and been in that captain seat just as easy if it was all about getting an upgrade. In their eyes (and the eyes of an arbitrator, just as in the USAir/America West case) it comes down to career expectations. Could an FO at Comair reasonably expect to upgrade in 3 years? That answer is obviously no. Could an FO at Mesaba expect to upgrade in 3 years. That answer is easily yes.

Boomer 08-22-2008 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by RJtrashPilot (Post 448299)
In their eyes (and the eyes of an arbitrator, just as in the USAir/America West case) it comes down to career expectations.

I think any regional pilot who finds his airline "wholly-pwned" by Delta should expect their career to come to a screeching halt.

The Judge rendering his verdict:
"Son, you work for Delta now. Sorry, but you really are fu(ked."

"aww crud, on APC it said I would upgrade in a year..."

:mad:

hslightnin 08-22-2008 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by BlueMoon (Post 448168)
You don't do DOH, you do relative seniority. Our senior guys would be PO'ed...but oh well. Being an FO, who was getting near an upgrade before this recent mess started, I would lose out quite a bit...but still relative seniority is the only fair way. I wouldn't think of asking for DOH...I am not that guy.


Originally Posted by andy171773 (Post 448295)
I agree, look at USAir and AW, that definition of "fair" isn't fair to anyone. DOH is the closest you're going to get to "fair" (and it's kind of what it would be like with a national seniority list). With the proper fences, it could work.

The lists will probably never merge. Look at US AWA. DL doesn't want the same exact thing.

Plus with one regional you'd have management by the balls during negotiations. Which is why DCI is like it is today.

CRJDriver 08-22-2008 03:00 PM

For those of you who don't know who Nicole Whitehead is, here ya go. I had to do some "editing" to make it suitable for APC:rolleyes: If you want to see the "rest", do a Google search:) She is a pilot at XJET.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2...1023325yo5.jpg


Originally Posted by hslightnin (Post 448154)
Nicole Whitehead was working on her ratings up when I got my MEI from ATP

When/Which location did you go to?


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