How can you say that? You seem to forget that our MEC Vice-chair, a 5-year FO, will probably wind up back on reserve and only be making 75 hours.

Wait, I just answered my own question. Nevermind. :D

Not to mention both sides (alpa/comair) have publicly said that renewing flex line would only save about 40-60 jobs

..so no

this isn't a result of that expiring.

Not exactly, he's fine. He'll continue to get 100 hours per month and not be required to fly one single block hour. If he picks up a trip, he'll get premium pay for the trip. Sound fair? I think not. Again, one of the few MEC's that has that provision written into the contract and they still complain the company is stealing money from them.

So you agree with ALPA and renewing this LOA is not worth 40-60 jobs?

I'm sure those 40-60 guys would appreciate it.

I'll place my job on it, that even if the company got 76 hour min line values, we would still be furloughing. Not only that they would build our lines to 70 hours and just negate that agreement. It's a big fight, but I think management is getting what it wants..... They want everyone to leave! They have a mission and they are just carrying it out.

So what happens if we all got 76 hour min lines and 50 furloughs came back. Would everything be good. Everyone happy? Didn't think so... Then the next 50 guys on the list would say we need to agree to 70 hour min line values to get another 50 jobs back.

It's every man for himself right now. ALPA is losing it's credibility and the company is loving ever bit of it.

Comair wants everyone to leave, yes. Who is leaving? About 300 junior pilots involuntarily or a handful of middle of the road guys lucky enough to have somewhere to move on to.

The people they are trying to force out without putting up the money to get them to quit are never going anywhere. It would make more sense for them to ride the company into the ground than to go elsewhere and lose seniority and pay.

On a side note, the JFK bid packets for December have a min line of 77. Whats the big deal if it goes down 2 hours to 75 for a few more months (assuming the LOA is extended for a set amount of time)

I tend to agree with ALPA, and I am one of the ones furloughed. Those who have been with the company (top 500) deserve their good pay, seniority, and everything else that comes along with what they have earned. Some moons ago they also made their start in this industry, went through the ups and downs of their time, paid their dues, and 40-60 pilots just doesn't seem worth the sacrifice. Furloughs in the airline industry is not anything new.

If the bid packet for December has a min line of 77 hours, then you should see that the company isn't following the rules. The big deal is if we go down another 2 hours(so you say) then they will just build lines a few hours under that and continue to not follow the rules.

As far as the people that they want to leave being bought out, it will never happen. The place is being liquidated. They wouldn't pay tons of money to buy out senior guys and then close the doors. Instead they are shedding whatever weight they can so water can replace the empty space in the ship forcing it to sink. And yes, DS will go down with this ship.

Aren't we overdue for a net conference?

See that's the problem! It's like a broken record repeating itself over and over. It's not supposed to be about the top 500, it's suppossed to be about the pilot group as a whole; from most junior FO to the most senior CA. The cycle needs to be broken and a new LEC and MEC elected who will fight for the whole pilot group. Delta knows what's going on and they're the ones calling the shots. They're really not happy with the Comair MEC and will continue to exhert pressure.