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09-18-2007 | 11:45 AM
#21
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Joined: Jul 2007
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From: Set Hundo
By sending applicants to JetU, PCL is just playing a variation of that classic bugaboo: PAY FOR TRAINING.
PCL is trying to make low timers pay for training which PCL should be providing free of charge. Most, if not all, other regionals who are hiring low timers provide them with whatever training is needed for success. Everyone (with low timers) is seeing rises in Sim time and OE required. That's just what it takes. If a company is not willing to provide needed training, then they need to pony up and make the job more desirable so that ol' free market will attract the pilots they want.
Don't pay for JetU. If the company needs JetU, then the COMPANY can d@mn well pay for JetU.
With the market the way it is for pilots, it is just plain absurd for pilots to pay for wasteful outsourced training.
PCL is trying to make low timers pay for training which PCL should be providing free of charge. Most, if not all, other regionals who are hiring low timers provide them with whatever training is needed for success. Everyone (with low timers) is seeing rises in Sim time and OE required. That's just what it takes. If a company is not willing to provide needed training, then they need to pony up and make the job more desirable so that ol' free market will attract the pilots they want.
Don't pay for JetU. If the company needs JetU, then the COMPANY can d@mn well pay for JetU.
With the market the way it is for pilots, it is just plain absurd for pilots to pay for wasteful outsourced training.
09-18-2007 | 05:59 PM
#22
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2007
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From: CRJ
Boiler- This company doesn't react until AFTER the crap hits the fan. June-August were horrible as far as staffing. Lines were built to 95 hours and they were Junior Manning the #1 seniority CA. It was crap. We are still understaffed relatively speaking but we are able to cover all of our flying and have reserves. Lines for October are back down to an average of 88 hours. This company runs a lean pilot group but the training department geared up in June and now the new hires are hitting the line. If we start taking deliveries of these -900's and the -200's are still here we are going to be right back into a staffing nightmare. The company is trying to get more CA's. The mins were lowered to upgrade get FO's through the door but many didn't take the upgrade for QOL or whatever other reason, now the company is going to new hire street captains. Also, the average IOE time went up from 30 to something like 60 hours with all the low timers so they are trying to get it back down to just OE, not primary training and OE. I do not support JetU or ATP- I have said that since I showed up a year ago with 1000/250, but supply and demand rules the industry. It took 3 months per class, in June they started classes 1 per week so in 3 months we have added ALOT of FO's. Not much has changed but there are more bodies for scheduling to manipulate. The issue that is still to be seen is the issue of timing out. Many- including myself- are looking at 1000 before the end of the year. I even was on rsv the first 2 months. Some are going to be off for most of november and all of december. That is the variable that will affect us the most with the holidays coming into view. Either way- DO NOT PAY FOR JET EXPERIENCE. Everybody is hiring and whoever hires you is required to train you, and they pay you! (not much though
) Supposedly the NH pay is still $400/wk though the $200/wk rumor has not come true yet.
) Supposedly the NH pay is still $400/wk though the $200/wk rumor has not come true yet.
09-18-2007 | 07:44 PM
#25
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: May 2007
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From: CL65 First Officer
From my opinion, I wouldnt do Jet U. or a CRJ transition course if you dont have to.....yea they are good and can give you a headstart in groundscholol, however if you dont have to pay the loot to do it, dont! there are plenty of airlines hiring right now that you dont need it for, at my interview there were 3 of us and only 2 of us got hired, the one who didnt had the a CRJ transition course under his belt and still didnt cut it, so it doesnt matter one or the other, yea it is helpful and will give you a leg up somewhat in systems and flying glass, but its not a neccesity from wha tI have seen thus far.
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