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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
(Post 238985)
Now you're trying to change the stance of your argument. You went from trying to argue the "morals" of flying a larger aircraft for the same pay to the actual dollar number. In essence completely different debates. Pick one or the other. If you want to talk dollar then yes your pay as an FO is a little better. Considering when ours was negotiated I'd say we did very well. Our company is making money hand over fist so we'll see how the next set comes out. When it does I won't be waving it over your head.
You were basing your statements that we don't get a pay increase with an increase in seats as an FO. Guess what... You don't either. The $$$ amount you actually get paid as an FO to fly for a regional, per your argument, holds no ground and is a simple shot in the dark.. almost a post of panic as you've just realized you're ever bit the same as those you try and talk down to. |
Hey, look... a couple of wh0res just showed up. Who wants to beat them?
What's that? Beat a dead horse? That's cruel, I'll beat the wh0res. At least they can fight back. :D |
Originally Posted by Bloodhound
(Post 239003)
Hey, look... a couple of wh0res just showed up. Who wants to beat them?
What's that? Beat a dead horse? That's cruel, I'll beat the wh0res. At least they can fight back. :D |
Originally Posted by HercDriver130
(Post 239000)
G-dog is right about one thing....mainline guys dont want to fly 70 seat jets... if they did they would have done it.
AC 175/190 FO....RAH 175/190 FO 1 yr. 37/hr..........23/hr 2 yr. 42/hr..........30/hr 3 yr. 60/hr..........35/hr 4 yr. 63/hr..........36/hr AC 175/190 CA....RAH 175/190 CA 3 yr. 114/hr........71/hr 4 yr. 116/hr........74/hr 5 yr. 118/hr........76/hr 10 yr. 130/hr.......88/hr Put that in your pipe and smoke it. |
Originally Posted by HercDriver130
(Post 238981)
Freezing boy.....first im not your son... in fact I was probably flying when you were in diapers and paying union dues when you were in elementary school. No offense intended either from or to you. LOL.
I do agree with most of your "benefits" as you described them.... pay for smaller jets is never gonna be that of our larger brothers.. thats just facts. TD makes a point...for our pay to go up...mainline pay will have to go up...when that happens ...it will follow. As for the "other" benefits .... I agree with that frustration to a point...I can tell you when I commuted years ago that I non-reved many times even when the JS was avail just not to have to be hassled by some of the mainline CA's... fwiw I was at AE back when TurboProps was all we flew ( Early 90's ) i commuted 4-5 trips a month to either JFK or MIA and it was just easier to pay the 4 bucks and non-rev. I almost never got hassled by other mainline CA's when i JS'd .. but AA guys about 30-40% of the time just simply wanted to belittle me so I paid the non-rev fee to avoid the hassle. So YES i understand that frustration all to well. I really dont think we are all that far apart in views here it just seems that way sometimes. |
Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
(Post 239011)
Air Canada does it. These numbers are adjusted to approximate hourly rates since apparently they are salaried. Currently $1 US = $1.003 Canadian
AC 175/190 FO....RAH 175/190 FO 1 yr. 37/hr..........23/hr 2 yr. 42/hr..........30/hr 3 yr. 60/hr..........35/hr 4 yr. 63/hr..........36/hr AC 175/190 CA....RAH 175/190 CA 3 yr. 114/hr........71/hr 4 yr. 116/hr........74/hr 5 yr. 118/hr........76/hr 10 yr. 130/hr.......88/hr Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Looks like somebody's been doing their homework!!!:) So just to make clear and try to follow what you guys are discussing is that AC is using the 175/190 as a mainline a/c as oppost to the regionals here in America are using the 175/190 in a "regional jet" capacity? atp |
Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
(Post 239011)
Air Canada does it. These numbers are adjusted to approximate hourly rates since apparently they are salaried. Currently $1 US = $1.003 Canadian
AC 175/190 FO....RAH 175/190 FO 1 yr. 37/hr..........23/hr 2 yr. 42/hr..........30/hr 3 yr. 60/hr..........35/hr 4 yr. 63/hr..........36/hr AC 175/190 CA....RAH 175/190 CA 3 yr. 114/hr........71/hr 4 yr. 116/hr........74/hr 5 yr. 118/hr........76/hr 10 yr. 130/hr.......88/hr Put that in your pipe and smoke it. |
Thats in socialist Canada.... I wonder if they are subsidized by the Canadian govt..... either way.... what Air Canada does has NO effect on what US airline pilots may or may not be willing to do.... and for what its worth... the 190 is NOT a 70 seat airplane.
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Originally Posted by G-Dog
(Post 239048)
You are talking about a Canadian airline. I could care less about them. What I want to know is what CAL pilots would be willing to do. I will ask the question again, will CAL pilots fly the 170?
I bet they would. It is in everyones best interest that they do. I hope they even strike if that is what it takes to keep the scope where it is at, I'll gladly write a check to support them in that fight. |
Originally Posted by G-Dog
(Post 239048)
You are talking about a Canadian airline. I could care less about them. What I want to know is what CAL pilots would be willing to do. I will ask the question again, will CAL pilots fly the 170?
CAL is all Boeing, do they want EMB's on property? CAL could make more money if a regional flew them for less pay than CAL pilots. Scope doesn't allow for more than 50 seat jets or 70 seat turboprops to be flown by other airlines for CAL. CAL pilots will NOT give up scope. |
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