Duty rig is great.
Trip rig could use some help, but not too bad.

Pay rates look ok.
Nice 1st year FO bump from $19 to $23.
FO rates did not improve much at all. They are somewhat decent compared to the rest of the industry, but they always were. No big raise for FO's.
Looks like 50 seat captains got a good raise. Still below XJT/AWAC and perhaps a few others.
Looks like 70 seat captains got hardly anything. That looks like the worst part of the TA.
As for the signing bonus, there are about 1700 pilots at ASA, so that works to an AVERAGE of $7900 bonus per pilot. That works out to about $1600 per year. They can improve that!!


If it gets sent back, work on that trip rig, FO pay, and 70 seat captain pay. A 70 seat jet holds 40% more people than a 50 seat jet. It brings in 40% more revenue. Yet you are barely getting like a 6% differential.
5 years of contract negotiations should get you something.

Retro
 

I think their signing bonus (retro pay...which SkyWest doesn't get because BH decided he didn't want to pay it) will offset the dues for several years. Furthermore, the offer includes first year pay that is much better than SkyWest, a commuter clause and it looks like scope protection (this is huge in my opinion...if it is voted in, SkyWest upgrades may slow down. Congratulations ASA...it is good to see a pilot group with some unity.

Care to explain how ASA's TA would slow SKW upgrades, if signed? They're completely different airlines with completely different pilot groups on completely different Ops Certs. ASA doesn't affect SKW; SKW cost per seat per mile is still lower. That means that any new flying will probably be done by SKW and not ASA, as long as it doesn’t conflict with their current contracts. No offense ASA but it only makes sense, lower cost equals more profit. As long as we are represented by SAPA we will never see the company truly thank us for our sacrifice. A sacrifice I’d rather not take; “show me tha money!” Then again people like Slaphappy will say they are "showing us the money" with quick upgrades. Isn't this the same philosophy as JO, I understand that JA and JO are completely different but I'll take my money now please.

ASA's TA, if signed, WILL NOT AFFECT SKW UPGRADES. NOT ONE BIT! If anything, it was good that ASA got their scope. Once the TA is signed, JA can do as he pleases, with in the letter of the law; and he pays millions to ensure the law is always grey.

Curious about the duty rig. I scanned the info about them on the APC main page, but I'm still a bit lost perhaps. I calculated my schedule next month using the duty rig pay in this TA and I lost hours big time. I'm in the bottom 2/3's of my base getting these trips too. Am I miscalculating how these are applied?

Say I have a 10 hour duty day and scheduled for 6 hours of flying, am I not losing an hour of pay with this rig system or is it: block or rig, whatever is greater?

I don't work at ASA, just curious if I'm figuring correctly. If so, I don't think its that good of a deal.

Jerry has told the ASA MEC that they will give/transfer AC to the lowest cost carrier. Isn't that what scope is for? To prevent the transfer of aircraft and protect jobs? That is why it is my opinion that it could slow the upgrades at SkyWest.

No, you will get the higher of:

a. Block or better
b. Duty Rig
c. Minimum daily Guarantee (3:45)

So in your above example you will be paid for the 6 hours of flying, credit will NEVER be lower than Block.

But if you have a 10 hour duty day and 4 hours of flying you will be paid 5 hours, which is half of your duty.


EXAMPLE A:

This works great on Stand-Ups/CDO's. Let's say you have a stand up that has you on duty for 13:15 and it includes on leg to BNA and back. That's about 3 hours or so of block but you will be paid 7:15 minutes. For the first 12 hours of duty you get paid half or 6 hours and then 1:1 for every minute over for a total credit of 7:15 of pay.


EXAMPLE B:

Now let’s say you only have a deadhead on day 1 to BNA with 3 legs on day 2:

DAY1:

ATL -BNA
Block: 0
DH: 1:30
Credit: 3:45 (ASA's new daily guarantee, which is the least you can ever be paid)
Duty 5:0

DAY2:
Block: 6 hours
Credit: 6 hours
Duty 8:0

Total compensation is 9:45 on 6 hours of block. (Day 1 Credit is 3:45 + day two credit of 6 = 9:45 of credit)

PS Credit must be equal to or great than block, ALWAYS!

Thanks,

That sounds better!

SKW has the lower cost between the two airlines but our upgrades aren't because of transfers. It's because of all the flying we've been awarded; between Midwest, DAL and UAL we've barely been able to keep up with upgrades and new hires. It's good that ASA got their scope otherwise JA could transfer a/c to SKW inorder to increase SKW Inc's margins. That's a huge win for ASA!

Like I said, ASA's new TA will not affect SKW upgrades. The only way that ASA could affect SKW upgrades is if we were to merge, and even then it would take years before an ASA pilot could take a SKW pilot upgrade because of fences that would be negotiated.

Are you sure you are not reading this wrong. It sounds to me like the duty rig only applies to standups (CDOs). Not to normal duty days. The normal duty day just has a minimum pay of 3h45m not a duty rig.

:confused:

I just copied-and-pasted.

The way I read it is CDOs will pay based on the duty rig, not the min day credit.