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10-16-2007, 07:10 PM
#111
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Sky,
You said, "Most modern jets are fully automated and come complete with auto feather, rudder dampeners and flight directors."
Um, forgive my piston driven ignorance, but just what does auto feather do on a jet (turbo fan?)... maybe it ejects the core????
You said, "Most modern jets are fully automated and come complete with auto feather, rudder dampeners and flight directors."
Um, forgive my piston driven ignorance, but just what does auto feather do on a jet (turbo fan?)... maybe it ejects the core????
10-16-2007, 09:27 PM
#112
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
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Yeah, and it's a yaw damper, silly. And really has noting to do with making your point that pilots don't fly airplanes. Do you know what a yaw damper does?
On my Capts IOE the checkairman had me turn off the autopilot, flight director, and auto throttles, and do a visual into Philly. That's one of the things an airline pilot needs to be able to do. You know, we can still go without the FMC, the autopilot, the flight director, a yaw damper, the autothrottles, ect. (just not all at the same time). You can't tell the Chief Pilot, I can't go cause the autopilots defered and I'm not comfortable with hand flying. That would be a laugh. I can hand fly the jet as well as you can hand fly your 150. The automation just makes it so I don't have to all the time.
"Put most of them in a Cessna 172 and they would kill themselves in short order."
Unsubstantiated gross exaggeration. I know this not to be true from personal experience.
On my Capts IOE the checkairman had me turn off the autopilot, flight director, and auto throttles, and do a visual into Philly. That's one of the things an airline pilot needs to be able to do. You know, we can still go without the FMC, the autopilot, the flight director, a yaw damper, the autothrottles, ect. (just not all at the same time). You can't tell the Chief Pilot, I can't go cause the autopilots defered and I'm not comfortable with hand flying. That would be a laugh. I can hand fly the jet as well as you can hand fly your 150. The automation just makes it so I don't have to all the time.
"Put most of them in a Cessna 172 and they would kill themselves in short order."
Unsubstantiated gross exaggeration. I know this not to be true from personal experience.
10-16-2007, 09:47 PM
#113
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
The AP goes on at 1000' and goes off outer marker inbound.
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Real stick and rudder or attitude instrument flying skills are not needed hardly at all. Airline pilots are out there proving that fact every day.
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Put most of them in a Cessna 172 and they would kill themselves in short order.
10-17-2007, 05:55 AM
#114
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Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Corporate Pilot
Posts: 7,119
Anc
At one time I was a flight istrutor in ANC and commonly was approached by 747, DC-10, smaller airline and military pilots for a check out in the Cessna 172.
It had been many years since these guys had flown a small plane and they wanted to be able to rent a plane to take themselves on scenic flights.
Most were worse than if the had no prior flight experience at all. Not a singe one of them was able to check out in one flight. Most gave up and the few who did get a sign off had problems.
One DC-10 captain looked at the ANC sectional with amazement. He claimed that he had never seen a VFR chart before and previously didn't know they even had such a silly thing. He was ex-military and claimed to only have 5 hours in a piston plane.
In addition I also worked at several air taxis where retired ex-airline pilots attempted to work as line pilots and quickly gave up much to the relief of everyone else.
I have a friend who is a DC-10 captain and even though he works a full schedule finds it difficult to stay current with 3 landings within 90 days due to the long haul nature of his job. Skills fade over time under those conditions.
You do not need to actually have piloting skills to be an airline pilot.
SkyHigh
It had been many years since these guys had flown a small plane and they wanted to be able to rent a plane to take themselves on scenic flights.
Most were worse than if the had no prior flight experience at all. Not a singe one of them was able to check out in one flight. Most gave up and the few who did get a sign off had problems.
One DC-10 captain looked at the ANC sectional with amazement. He claimed that he had never seen a VFR chart before and previously didn't know they even had such a silly thing. He was ex-military and claimed to only have 5 hours in a piston plane.
In addition I also worked at several air taxis where retired ex-airline pilots attempted to work as line pilots and quickly gave up much to the relief of everyone else.
I have a friend who is a DC-10 captain and even though he works a full schedule finds it difficult to stay current with 3 landings within 90 days due to the long haul nature of his job. Skills fade over time under those conditions.
You do not need to actually have piloting skills to be an airline pilot.
SkyHigh
10-17-2007, 06:22 AM
#115
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Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Corporate Pilot
Posts: 7,119
Yaw Dampener
Originally Posted by de727ups
Yeah, and it's a yaw damper, silly. And really has noting to do with making your point that pilots don't fly airplanes. Do you know what a yaw damper does?
On my Capts IOE the checkairman had me turn off the autopilot, flight director, and auto throttles, and do a visual into Philly. That's one of the things an airline pilot needs to be able to do. You know, we can still go without the FMC, the autopilot, the flight director, a yaw damper, the autothrottles, ect. (just not all at the same time). You can't tell the Chief Pilot, I can't go cause the autopilots defered and I'm not comfortable with hand flying. That would be a laugh. I can hand fly the jet as well as you can hand fly your 150. The automation just makes it so I don't have to all the time.
"Put most of them in a Cessna 172 and they would kill themselves in short order."
Unsubstantiated gross exaggeration. I know this not to be true from personal experience.
On my Capts IOE the checkairman had me turn off the autopilot, flight director, and auto throttles, and do a visual into Philly. That's one of the things an airline pilot needs to be able to do. You know, we can still go without the FMC, the autopilot, the flight director, a yaw damper, the autothrottles, ect. (just not all at the same time). You can't tell the Chief Pilot, I can't go cause the autopilots defered and I'm not comfortable with hand flying. That would be a laugh. I can hand fly the jet as well as you can hand fly your 150. The automation just makes it so I don't have to all the time.
"Put most of them in a Cessna 172 and they would kill themselves in short order."
Unsubstantiated gross exaggeration. I know this not to be true from personal experience.
Oh yea!! It is called the Yaw dampener and I remember that if your plane has one that your feet stay firmly planted on the floor. In fact after the NYC Airbus crash we were all reminded that the rudder did not need any inputs from us unless there was an engine failure... Feet on the floor...
Skyhigh
10-17-2007, 06:28 AM
#116
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Pilots Need A Real Wage
Pilots need more than just enough money to be able to afford to breath and exist.
They require wages sufficient enough to be able to fund a middle class lifestyle, self funded retirement, pay off school loans and save for offspring college costs. Anything less is irresponsible and a vote cast towards lowering wages in the future.
We all love to fly and that seems to serve as most of the compensation pilots get these days.
If your career doesnt pass the stupid test then it isn't a real job but a hobby that covers some of its own costs.
SkyHigh
They require wages sufficient enough to be able to fund a middle class lifestyle, self funded retirement, pay off school loans and save for offspring college costs. Anything less is irresponsible and a vote cast towards lowering wages in the future.
We all love to fly and that seems to serve as most of the compensation pilots get these days.
If your career doesnt pass the stupid test then it isn't a real job but a hobby that covers some of its own costs.
SkyHigh
10-17-2007, 06:44 AM
#117
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Posts: 1,943
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Feet on the floor...
The transport category jet that I fly needs to be handflown following an engine failure and everything gets trimmed manually. This is a jet of the 1990s.
10-17-2007, 07:54 AM
#118
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Right
Originally Posted by contrails
Again, completely wrong.
The transport category jet that I fly needs to be handflown following an engine failure and everything gets trimmed manually. This is a jet of the 1990s.
The transport category jet that I fly needs to be handflown following an engine failure and everything gets trimmed manually. This is a jet of the 1990s.
SkyHigh
10-17-2007, 07:59 AM
#119
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Autofeather
Originally Posted by FlyJSH
Sky,
You said, "Most modern jets are fully automated and come complete with auto feather, rudder dampeners and flight directors."
Um, forgive my piston driven ignorance, but just what does auto feather do on a jet (turbo fan?)... maybe it ejects the core????
You said, "Most modern jets are fully automated and come complete with auto feather, rudder dampeners and flight directors."
Um, forgive my piston driven ignorance, but just what does auto feather do on a jet (turbo fan?)... maybe it ejects the core????
A/P
Flight Director
Yaw Dampener
Auto feather
Flight Computer
Fly by Wire
Wind Shear Alert
Terrain Avoidance system
TCAS
HUD
ECT........
Things that are becoming optional:
Alert, competent and capable pilots
SkyHigh
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