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ehaeckercfi 10-03-2007 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by shanejj (Post 241605)
The CFI gives you more experience teaching students....
but it doesn't give make you a better pilot than someone that skipped the CFI and went straight to an airline....

Who's plane would you feel safer on....

A 1500hour pilot with 200 hours in type or a 1500hours pilot with 1200hours in type? .........

You have obviously never been a CFI. There is much more to be gained than just being good at teaching. Have you ever heard somebody say that they learned the most from teaching? Guess what! Its true!

As far as your question, I would feel better with the 1500 and 1200 in type. Why? because he has 1500. Rewind 2 years. 400 hours and 100 in type. I'll take the second guy in that case.

shanejj 10-03-2007 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by ehaeckercfi (Post 241620)
You have obviously never been a CFI. There is much more to be gained than just being good at teaching. Have you ever heard somebody say that they learned the most from teaching? Guess what! Its true!

As far as your question, I would feel better with the 1500 and 1200 in type. Why? because he has 1500. Rewind 2 years. 400 hours and 100 in type. I'll take the second guy in that case.


The sound of 1200 in type sounds good hmm?
What if the 1500/1200 didnt have a cfi!
Isn't he then a bad pilot??

Everyone starts somewhere....and in the long run...it fits the F/O better to get in 121 as soon as he can!

Not doing so, is like telling someone to deny a job at ups because he has no oceanic experience ;-)
Sure...get offered a job at UPS ehaeckercfi and then deny it because you don't have experience crossing the pond!
Remember...safety first, right:D
I wouldn't want my freight in your plane in that case...

ehaeckercfi 10-03-2007 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by shanejj (Post 241622)
The sound of 1200 in type sounds good hmm?
What if the 1500/1200 didnt have a cfi!
Isn't he then a bad pilot??

Missed my post again...:rolleyes:

Why not compare the 2 as if they were hired at the same time:
1500 total with 100 in type of 300 total with 100 in type.
Which one sounds better now? It all depends on how you compare them.

shanejj 10-03-2007 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by ehaeckercfi (Post 241627)
Missed my post again...:rolleyes:

Why not compare the 2 as if they were hired at the same time:
1500 total with 100 in type of 300 total with 100 in type.
Which one sounds better now? It all depends on how you compare them.

Honest answer: They can both be awesome pilots or they can both suck ballz...all depends on their skill.

I've never been so bored...and I'm in cincinasty too...

ehaeckercfi 10-03-2007 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by shanejj (Post 241634)
Honest answer: They can both be awesome pilots or they can both suck ballz...all depends on their skill.

I've never been so bored...and I'm in cincinasty too...

You are 100% correct.
My point is that somebody with more time has had more opportunities to be exposed to more things. The truth is that there is no concrete way to gauge how well a pilot will do. Higher time just means that the pilot has had more of an opportunty to be exposed to different things.

ehaeckercfi 10-03-2007 05:02 PM

Oh and BTW, if you are bored, back to back Southpark at 9:30 ET :D

shanejj 10-03-2007 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by ehaeckercfi (Post 241642)
Oh and BTW, if you are bored, back to back Southpark at 9:30 ET :D

The damn hotel took HBO off the list:eek:

Law and Order on:D

AKfreighter 10-03-2007 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by ehaeckercfi (Post 241087)

Oh and then there is this. Your comment about 152 time not being revelent, that is wrong. An airplane is an airplane, basic trainer or passenger jet, it doesn't matter. They are both subject to the exact same set of laws and aerodynamics.

I take issue with this blanket statement. A 152 and a jet are subject to the same laws in the same way a canoe and a cruise ship are subject to the same laws. The whole universe is subject to the same physical principles.

Additionally, CFIing may be a good learning experience (as ANY flying will be) but most CFIs are doing it to "build time" and really don't put the effort in to get much out of it after moving a primary student or two through the certificate.

ehaeckercfi 10-03-2007 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by AKfreighter (Post 241650)
Additionally, CFIing may be a good learning experience (as ANY flying will be) but most CFIs are doing it to "build time" and really don't put the effort in to get much out of it after moving a primary student or two through the certificate.

I know what you mean. I wish more people would do it, and be good at it, not just to build time.
Sure, I did it to build time, but I put my heart and soul into it for the two years I did it. After I sent 9 students to their checkrides (all passed), I decided I had done my duty, and moved on.

coryk 10-03-2007 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by shanejj (Post 241649)
The damn hotel took HBO off the list:eek:

Law and Order on:D

I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but aren't you like 19 years old or around that age range?

You were a low-time hire at PSA correct? While most of us would applaud your determination, and most noticeably, your ability to pass a 121 training program at such a young age, aren't you missing out on just being a youth? No college, no nights out with friends drinking, hanging out, no real fond flying memories... just the thought of waking up in some hole of a town in the armpit of America, while your friends are nursing hangovers in Pysch 101, and planning weekend trips up to the mountains in the FBO's twin.

From what I've read, and seen, most of the 300 hour wonders are younger folks. 20-23 years old. They aren't really in it for the love of flying, or to be an aviator, they simply want to be an airline pilot. Forget about really learning to fly, and gaining those fond memories that actually made you an aviator. You know those white knuckle approaches into Nome, Barrow, or Kotzebue, Alaska at night with icing in an old, battered bush plane, spend 2 years doing that, build over 1800 hours flying the bush, by yourself, in the winter. Or the magnificent sunsets from a twin Otter on floats flying inter-island flights in the Virgin Islands, spend a year and a half doing that, building over 1000 hours of seaplane time and learning the ins and outs of flying an machine on and off the surface of the sea. How about having significant time teaching people to fly novice an complex aerobatics, where a pilot will really learn what it's like to fly by the seat of you're pants and use the stick, not needle-dick it around like some RJ.

People are so inclined to get to the airlines without ever experiencing flying at all. Is that really what you would call and aviator?

Not me.

I personally applaud the guys that stick around CFIing for longer than 200 hours. They aren't driven by the thought they may get to tell the hottie blond at the bar they fly jets for a living, but teaching the future of aviation. It's a noble task many are too short sided to even understand.

Just my 0.02


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