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COTriple7 10-03-2007 10:46 PM

The regs basically say that you need 1500 hours of total time to earn your ATP and be eligible to upgrade to Captain (PIC). Some airlines determine their own eligibility requirements above what the regs require. (4) States the min of 250 PIC, but can be as SIC acting as PIC as well as the XC and Night time.

61.159 Aeronautical experience: Airplane category rating.
(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b), (c), and (d) of this section, a person who is applying for an airline transport pilot certificate with an airplane category and class rating must have at least 1,500 hours of total time as a pilot that includes at least:
(1) 500 hours of cross-country flight time.
(2) 100 hours of night flight time.
(3) 75 hours of instrument flight time, in actual or simulated instrument conditions, subject to the following:
(i) Except as provided in paragraph (a)(3)(ii) of this section, an applicant may not receive credit for more than a total of 25 hours of simulated instrument time in a flight simulator or flight training device.
(ii) A maximum of 50 hours of training in a flight simulator or flight training device may be credited toward the instrument flight time requirements of paragraph (a)(3) of this section if the training was accomplished in a course conducted by a training center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.
(iii) Training in a flight simulator or flight training device must be accomplished in a flight simulator or flight training device, representing an airplane.
(4) 250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command, or any combination thereof, which includes at least—
(i) 100 hours of cross-country flight time; and
(ii) 25 hours of night flight time.

So you should be able to easily meet ATP mins while SIC for any airline.

UnlimitedAkro 10-04-2007 03:48 AM


Originally Posted by cl601pilot (Post 241765)
Sorry, I wasn't refering to you and your friends with the backpacks.

and again, I have no idea what you are talking about. Ive seen plenty of pilots from Skybus with backpacks, but Skybus doesnt fit under that umbrella you have never been under. Strike 2.

Pilot41 10-04-2007 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by Paok (Post 241443)
I know this has been discussed before, but I did a search and can't find it. For those of us who have been hired with low time (I had about 600) what does the future hold for us for majors, etc... after a few years. I have less than 500 PIC obviously, and never counted my dual recieved as PIC as most airlines do not recognize it. Does this mean I have to go fly the crap out of my brothers traumahawk or what? What is this I heard about part of your SIC going towards PIC, and is this only for ATP minimums? Places like CAL who want 500 PIC and 500 SIC, and other majors who have their PIC requirements.....what to do? I guess I should figure this out soon so I can fly the traumahawk as much as possible during the next few years haha......... Thanks

And what about those hired with 250 TT? I guess they would be in an even worse boat than myself?

First, I don't agree with the system that allows someone with 600hrs or less in the right seat. However, that's the system and you made the right decision. Stay where you are (fly open time), upgrade build your PIC (again, fly open time) time that way. Forget about SE-PIC, at this point it gets you nowhere. It's called paying your dues.

ExperimentalAB 10-04-2007 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 241607)
ill be your boyfriend

Hey dude - we already settled this, remember?? She's gonna be my girlfriend!! ;-P

ToiletDuck 10-04-2007 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by Paok (Post 241443)
I know this has been discussed before, but I did a search and can't find it. For those of us who have been hired with low time (I had about 600) what does the future hold for us for majors, etc... after a few years. I have less than 500 PIC obviously, and never counted my dual recieved as PIC as most airlines do not recognize it. Does this mean I have to go fly the crap out of my brothers traumahawk or what? What is this I heard about part of your SIC going towards PIC, and is this only for ATP minimums? Places like CAL who want 500 PIC and 500 SIC, and other majors who have their PIC requirements.....what to do? I guess I should figure this out soon so I can fly the traumahawk as much as possible during the next few years haha......... Thanks

And what about those hired with 250 TT? I guess they would be in an even worse boat than myself?

Go be a CFI it's a great and rewarding experience. I have about 1800hrs PIC. Granted that's not a whole lot but it does meet the requirements someplace. I can get my resume in there much sooner and keep working where I'm at till they answer. In my opinion that's a big plus. I hope to have moved on to my next job before becoming a capt here.


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