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Originally Posted by LabMonkey76
(Post 246219)
If you bid to be a Saab captain and are awarded it then even if you could hold CRJ captain (200 or 900) you are not eligible for the position for 24months. You are "seat locked" into your CA position for 2 years.
IE - You are awarded Saab CA in Nov 07, you would then be eligible for CA on another aircraft in Nov 09, assuming your seniority could hold it. This keeps down training costs as pilots are unable to switch aircraft as often as they might be. The talk about the "seat lock" being released or shortened is because it is possible when Mesaba aquires as many aircraft as they plan to that they will not have enough Saab captains who have been captains for more than 2 years eligible to bid to the CRJ. They would then have to shorten the seat lock, eliminate it, hire street captains for the jet, or upgrade lower seniority FOs into these positions. Now a question for those in the know, if a seat locked captain were bypassed for a jet postion are they owed this "bypass pay" that people have spoken of before that kicks in 8 weeks after the bypass??? I'm not familiar with that specification. It is very likely seat lock will go away as Mesaba gets more jets since People will need to upgrade into jets by seniority as this is the only method that will not create conflict among pilots. |
Seat locks are released as needed to avoid hiring steet captains. For saab captain positions this is only holding back a handful of people but for the jet there are probably at least a hundred (mostly saab captains) that would be held back to bid to jet captain. So street saab captain likely, street jet captain not likely.
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Originally Posted by WIPilot
(Post 246593)
Very new, havent signed one. I asked around to a few of the guys in my class and they havent signed one either.
If I read the pilot contract right, Mesaba is authorized to contract us up to $15k pro rated, but as far as I am aware there is no contract. |
Originally Posted by WIPilot
(Post 246593)
Very new, havent signed one. I asked around to a few of the guys in my class and they havent signed one either.
If I read the pilot contract right, Mesaba is authorized to contract us up to $15k pro rated, but as far as I am aware there is no contract. |
Originally Posted by sigep_nm
(Post 246853)
You signed one, just probably didnt realize it....one more reason to pay attention
I didn't sign one and I just got done with the training department. If they did institute a training contract I think it'd be a pretty big deal. Are you sure you aren't confusing conversation about our ALPA contract with management regarding training matters with a 'training contract'? I could see how one could get confused... and no offense Sigep but you seem confused because you mentioned a $10k 'training contract' in the same breath as our ALPA contract regarding seniority protection (prerequisites to direct entry captains). These would be two totally seperate items. Edit: I just realized we're on the same team Sigep, when I wrote this I was thinking you were another outsider acting like they know everything about another company. So..that explains the tone...that and the fact thats its 3:30am on a bar night:-) |
Originally Posted by Andrew_VT
(Post 246865)
Uhh...I pay attention.
I didn't sign one and I just got done with the training department. If they did institute a training contract I think it'd be a pretty big deal. Are you sure you aren't confusing conversation about our ALPA contract with management regarding training matters with a 'training contract'? I could see how one could get confused... and no offense Sigep but you seem confused because you mentioned a $10k 'training contract' in the same breath as our ALPA contract regarding seniority protection (prerequisites to direct entry captains). These would be two totally seperate items. |
Originally Posted by sigep_nm
(Post 246867)
You signed it because I did, and no I am not confused, but welcome aboard, and if you didnt sign it we have a big problem coming up pretty soon. It was probably part of your initial hire package, not something you had to agree with during new hire classes, but anyways ALPA (hope you enjoyed the pizza and the free lanyard) and MGNT are different (pass on the Kool Aid, it is tasty but makes you lose all sense of judgement, i think you know which lanyard to wear), but yes XJ has a training contract, and my conversation is directed at two different audiences, hope you get MSP soon or DTW, ask them what is going on and dont F-up
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Originally Posted by sigep_nm
(Post 246867)
It was probably part of your initial hire package, not something you had to agree with during new hire classes
I'm not planning on leaving but I specifically remember in the interview that I was told that there was no training contract. I think it even said that in the new hire slide show too but they've since updated it and it's not in the new one. I went through the new hire package pretty carefully and I don't remember anything about it there as well...this is going to bug me. |
It's actually even listed right on the APC page now too.
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airli...al/mesaba.html |
Originally Posted by RedGuy
(Post 246978)
It's actually even listed right on the APC page now too.
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airli...al/mesaba.html That doesnt always say a lot. |
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