[quote=SkyHigh;254387]
Real people work real jobs and get real wages. Pilot don't. Flying is a hobby job and gets paid as such. Most of your compensation is because you guys are supposedly having fun.

SkyHigh

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Hobby? Flying a C150 is a hobby, flying an airliner, prop or jet, big or small is not a hobby. Sure its fun, some of the time, but it is not a game. It is a structured professional environment in which we provide a service for compensation. Thats a job, and why should I be penalized because I enjoy it. Want me to wear a chalice so it hurts? Maybe that way you'll feel better because I'm in pain when I get a raise.

Tinkering with pipes may be a hobby for some do it yourselfers out there, some plumbers probably enjoy part of their jobs, does that mean they deserve less compensation because they enjoy their work?

Professionals who take on loads of responsibility, and sacrifice their home lives deserve more than the less than adequate compensation we all get. To penalize someone for enjoying what they do makes no sense. I enjoy my job, and it I'm a better person because of it, if you have lots and lots of money, and hate your "real" job, good for you but thats not how I choose to live.

Hear anything on this yet..?

Compensation
 

Pilots do not get paid well since they will accept fun in place of wages.

There isn't a plumber in the land who would crawl under a house for poverty wages. Dentists would never take even the first step towards a career unless they had a strong reason to think that they will get highly paid as a result.

Pilots will fist fight over a job that pays 18K. Then they will sell their days off to the company in order to make a living.

There was an ad in the local newspaper seeking applicants to the post office. The ad claimed that wages were between 46 and 56K per year. Not much but not bad either when you consider that they are getting a solid retirement, good benefits and only had to pass a civil service test to get in.

It is simple business. Why pay more for something you can get for less? Pilots will continue to blow a fortune on training and show up for jobs that pay less than the local street cop, mailman or garbageman. Management can take away retirement, days off and pay and the pilots will still show up.

Enjoy that sunrise departure because it is costing you a lot.

Skyhigh

Life
 

[QUOTE=LabMonkey76;254430]
Life is about choices. You can't have it all. Most Dentists hate their jobs but they do it because it pays well. I think that some jobs are fun and others provide monetary satisfaction. Rarely do they both come in the same package.

Flying is not a real job since people will do incredible sacrifices for much less than fair compensation. The fun factor is a huge part of pilot compensation. It is a fact that college educated people will trade wages and benefits for an interesting sounding job. The working class does not have that problem. They know the value of earning a real income and are prepared to work hard at mundane jobs to get it.

SkyHigh

I'd love to take an opinion poll out on the streets to see how many folks think being a pilot isn't a real job rather than the opinion of one disgruntled former hack pilot.

I'd sacrifice some money for a job I enjoy.

Skyhigh just doesn't get this concept.

I am not saying that all pilots get acceptable pay but who the heck would WANT to work at a post office? Not only that, you will FOR SURE never make over 100K at the post office. With flying, over 100K is a possibility even if you work at certain regionals. I would think even Skyhigh would realize this....after all, I can't imagine Skyhigh thinks 56K is good money. Dude! You might have to bring your own lunch to the post office....how HUMILIATING would that be? (Skyhigh thinks pilots bringing their own food to work is "humiliating"...I wonder how he would feel driving the $1000 beater I just got rid of....Oh the humanity!) LOL!

[QUOTE=SkyHigh;254437]You have to be realistic about what "all" is but that attitude right there is why you are limited in your life.

Stepping up to a minivan, eh?

;)

Ex-Pilots
 

Ex-pilots are everywhere. I just found out last month that the guy who owns an asphalt company and does work for me is an ex-pilot. He quit to get a real job and now does better than most major airline captains.

The guy who is my fencing contractor also is an ex-pilot who now is doing very well and is building himself a nice house on 40 acres. A good friend of mine from college left the military and became a Sheriffs Deputy and loves the job and fully expects to retire at 53 with a nice retirement. I could go on..

These people and many more have recognised the futility of an airline career. They did not like the idea of spending more than half of their lives in hotel rooms as tools of management. They wanted to earn a real living and have a secure future and they were willing to trade their flying dreams to get it.

I think most people when presented with the facts would ask "why would anyone want to do that job"? The pay is low the cost of entry is high and future not bright. They would advise pilots to get a real job with real compensation as the rest of America has. To accept anything less is to have a hobby job.

SkyHigh

Compensation
 

The humiliation that pilots endure goes beyond wages. Most people would not accept being gone for half of their lives for any amount of pay. They also would not sacrifice living in a place of their own choosing for a job.

I do not think that 56K is a good living but it doesn't take a four year education and expensive training to get it either. What people at the post office get is fair compensation for a difficult job.

Pilots will lay out a fortune and then place their lives upon the alter of aviation in order to stay in the seat. They are right in there with artists, musicians and writers. A few might make it big but most will languish in poverty. It is not a real job for real people with real lives.

Skyhigh