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johnso29 11-06-2007 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 258693)
Based upon what you said and I've seen, I would agree. But more seats for close to the same cost allows for you to make more money during the peak seasons.

Personally I see XJT's use of the ERJ as common sense. If XJT wanted to use the E170's it would cost them for more money in start up cost than it currently is. Buying new a/c, training new pilots, new sim instructors, new ground instructors, new curriculum, Mx professional, parts, certification, ops spec and so on. The cost would have been much higher to bring a different a/c on line. Now they can test the markets and if there is growth they can make the decisions about larger a/c down the road.

Regardless I wish you guys the best of luck.

I agree, I think getting bigger a/c would be more harmful than helpful. Also, there is no way XJET could get financing for bigger airplanes with our stock price. We just haven't put enough confidence into the investment market yet, and who knows if we can.

johnso29 11-06-2007 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 258693)
Based upon what you said and I've seen, I would agree. But more seats for close to the same cost allows for you to make more money during the peak seasons.

Personally I see XJT's use of the ERJ as common sense. If XJT wanted to use the E170's it would cost them for more money in start up cost than it currently is. Buying new a/c, training new pilots, new sim instructors, new ground instructors, new curriculum, Mx professional, parts, certification, ops spec and so on. The cost would have been much higher to bring a different a/c on line. Now they can test the markets and if there is growth they can make the decisions about larger a/c down the road.

Regardless I wish you guys the best of luck.

I agree, I think getting bigger a/c would be more harmful than helpful. Also, there is no way XJET could get financing for bigger airplanes with our stock price. We just haven't put enough confidence into the investment market yet, and who knows if we can. Also, I agree more seats for same cost means more money, I just think the bigger RJs are better on different routes. Thanks for Best Wishes.

newarkblows 11-06-2007 11:32 AM

jetlock i wrote word for word "its not your own personal fault and was unstoppabe by just you" but maybe my reading "compression" skills are off again. I am not going to respond to the rest of your personal attacks after this because your ignorance is laughable. you dont know me, you dont like me because i am deflating your dream of being a mainline pilot in your 900 so lets keep it civil. I have my opinion, you dont know me or my past, i dont know you other then what you post and likewise so dont assume anything about me just because you cant make a factual point.

I think the reason your resorting to personal attacks about my business experience (MBA grad, BS in finance, owned my own business for 3 yrs, volunteer for alpa) is because you really have no leg to stand on with your arguments. SO far EVERY statement i have made about your situation, your airplanes and their similar types, and your pilot group have been backed up by what you post. Sure your a little long winded, big on the personal attacks, and you dont care what others in your profession have to say but in trying to make fun of my posts you have agreed to everything i have stated.

I know this is an impossible conversation to have with you as you will still carry on and believe you deserve to be treated like a mainline pilot, will be in it only for yourself and your family, and will think that as long as i get mine i dont care. Its sad to see people like you in this industry. You have said nothing to defend yourself other then "we are fighting for it". Your airline just voted down a union and i am sad for you guys. Your pilot group continues to work for peanuts (which you an i agree on) and all you can say is " we are working on it" and "rome wasnt built in one day". If this is ROME then your the part of the group burning it down not building it up.

SOrry for being wrong about SJS but your posts about how great the 70 and 90 seaters were just seemed like the classic propaganda from Aviation Universities. Sounded like someone swimming in kool aid and still does.

Believe what you want. From someone who is an "idiot", "ignorant", "stupid", a "Moron", a person who has no "business common sense", "business experience", or "business knowledge" i emplore you to look at your position objectively. I doubt you will and you will post some smartass, self-important ramble about how your soo right because "you will stand up and fight". I call BS. talk is cheap

ps. I do actually know quite a bit about Skywest as i almost worked there but decided not to. I like your company and think its one of the best. The problem i have is with regionals flying 70-90 seats for such miserable wages and the self-righteous stupidity that those positions seem to breed. i know very well that i could work for a company that did fly those aircraft but i would know that it was a major setback for my profession.

RockyBoy 11-06-2007 05:07 PM

I think XJT is doing the LAX flying on an at risk basis and not under a capacity purchase agreement. This alone would make it better for Delta to use XJT over SKYW unless SKYW will fly for Delta on an at risk basis. Also, the 145XR is a better jet to use on thin routes that cannot support a 70 or 76 seat CRJ. The 50 seat CRJ would be weight restricted in most of those mexican cities while the XR would not. If they could fill up a 76 seat jet on those routes and SKYW would fly them on an at risk basis, then I'm sure SKYW would be doing the flying. Hopefully in 2 or 3 years all those routes will be flown by Delta in a 100 seat jet and all you SKYW and XJT guys can get hired by Delta to fly them. Maybe then we can all quit calling each other names and go back to the important things in life.

johnso29 11-06-2007 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 259001)
I think XJT is doing the LAX flying on an at risk basis and not under a capacity purchase agreement. This alone would make it better for Delta to use XJT over SKYW unless SKYW will fly for Delta on an at risk basis. Also, the 145XR is a better jet to use on thin routes that cannot support a 70 or 76 seat CRJ. The 50 seat CRJ would be weight restricted in most of those mexican cities while the XR would not. If they could fill up a 76 seat jet on those routes and SKYW would fly them on an at risk basis, then I'm sure SKYW would be doing the flying. Hopefully in 2 or 3 years all those routes will be flown by Delta in a 100 seat jet and all you SKYW and XJT guys can get hired by Delta to fly them. Maybe then we can all quit calling each other names and go back to the important things in life.

That would certainly be better than all these stinking RJs rolling around. I fly one, and I wish they were never created.

mccube5 11-06-2007 06:10 PM

but those 100 seat jets will still be rj's, just the stretch versions of the junky 50 seaters...

dojetdriver 11-06-2007 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 259001)
I think XJT is doing the LAX flying on an at risk basis and not under a capacity purchase agreement. This alone would make it better for Delta to use XJT over SKYW unless SKYW will fly for Delta on an at risk basis.

The first 10 we had in LAX were on a CPA agreement. the additional 8 (so far) are being flow on a pro rate type of deal.

Only 10 can be operated on a CPA because of the "most favored nation" clause in the CPA we have with CAL.

johnso29 11-07-2007 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by mccube5 (Post 259033)
but those 100 seat jets will still be rj's, just the stretch versions of the junky 50 seaters...

Hopefully, they wouldn't be CRJs and if they are, maybe Bombardier can think a little outside the box and do something other than just stretch a /200.

ChinsFive 11-07-2007 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 259082)
The first 10 we had in LAX were on a CPA agreement. the additional 8 (so far) are being flow on a pro rate type of deal.

Only 10 can be operated on a CPA because of the "most favored nation" clause in the CPA we have with CAL.

I love our f#&king CPA with CAL... It's almost like CAL wrote it for us before we were IPO'ed just to make sure XJT was worth at least $16 a share when we were loaded up with debt and then sold down the river like a Thai hooker. I'm glad they didn't load it up with high-rates and handcuff-like red tape clauses just so that they could make a little cash on XJT when their real plan was to drag us across hot, freshly laid asphalt by our nuts. Asphalt that it still just a little wet so it sticks to the bottom of your nuts and burns them untill you get it off.

dojetdriver 11-07-2007 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by ChinsFive (Post 259423)
I love our f#&king CPA with CAL... It's almost like CAL wrote it for us before we were IPO'ed just to make sure XJT was worth at least $16 a share when we were loaded up with debt and then sold down the river like a Thai hooker. I'm glad they didn't load it up with high-rates and handcuff-like red tape clauses just so that they could make a little cash on XJT when their real plan was to drag us across hot, freshly laid asphalt by our nuts. Asphalt that it still just a little wet so it sticks to the bottom of your nuts and burns them untill you get it off.

Wow, that makes for a pretty interesting picture if you use your imagination.


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