According to whom?

Do you know how many passenger seats the DC-9-10 that Northwest flew up until a year or two ago had?

The definition of mainline isn't seats, MTOW, or physical size...its "has mainline scoped this out or not?" Case in point - Republic flies the 86 seat E-175 as US Airways Express, yet the 175 is a mainline aircraft at Air Canada.

I agree. everyone should worry about their own job, not everyone else.

We had an American jumpseater the other day who used to fly the F100. He said it had 92 seats in it, although he couldn't remember exactly. I asked how much they made and he said $160! My jaw dropped. I assume that was max pay. That was less than 100 seats and a mainline aircraft. Also, Midwest flies the B717 at 88 seats, all first class.

Someone earlier made a point that every time a pilot accepts lower pay it screws everyone else. Very true. Our pay isn't below everyone elses, which is why I don't know why people make statements like that regarding SkyWest.

Yes, the minute management starts acting like TSA or Mesa, we'll unionize. At this point in time, it isn't necessary. I wonder how many guys will be going back to ASA for that new contract and protection from an integrated seniority list? I bet not many.

People hating SkyWest doesn't feed my ego. No one can understand why we don't want a union. It isn't that difficult of a concept, treat your people right and they'll return the favor. Management is going to do what is best for the stockholders, then if they have time they will take care of us. That goes with union carriers as well. I trust they will do the right thing and if they don't, you can count on me voting for the SkyWest In-House Pilot's Union(SIPU)!

i have told you why koolaidman... I will do it once more so everyone is clear.

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LOOK AT THE PAY RATES!!! Everyone knows our FO rates suck, no secret there. they are a stupid blended pay rate for the rj and the saab. but look at the Captain pay!!! COME ON GUYS!!! Why do you keep saying you are one of the best paid in the industry. LOOK AT THE 200 RATES!!!

1 yr captain skywest 57 an hour
1 yr captain pinnacle 55 an hour

5 yr captain skywest 64
5 yr captain pinnacle 62

Come on PEOPLE!!!! your "Agreement" is brand new and you only make a couple dollars more an hour than pinnacle captains who are flying with a contract signed over 7 YEARS AGO???

and you can say all you want about profit sharing and yadda yadda yadda, but it still doesn't make sense. How can our contract that is over 7 years old, SIGNED IN THE YEAR 2000 FFS, be just a few dollars behind you guys??

Wow, a CRJ FO at SkyWest huh? I'll bet you've really seen some crap during you long tenure there then huh? Especially when it relates to pattern bargaining.

Your pay may not be below SOME pay scales, but let me ask you this;

Do you think that when your pilot group agreed to an 18 month pay freeze (how long did that ACTUALLY last anyway?), it helped out other 50 seat operators?

Also, when my former company just negotiated a competitive 70 seat rate during UAL's CH.11, then your pilot group agreed to fly 70/90 seats for 50 seat rates that it was good for anybody else? Guess what genius, that makes your pay scale below other peoples. Do you think that is good for OTHER pilot groups who are trying to raise the bar? Do you think that was good for ASA trying to negotiate a new contract at that time? Do you think that was good for Comair when they were being squeezed in DAL's CH.11?

It's OK, you don't have to answer. I'm guessing the points I'm referring to was WAY before your time there and you have no clue as to what I am referring to.

You can flame me if you wish, you can argue with me as well. But like I said, I'm guessing you were not even in the 121 world at the time of the points I mentioned.

By whose definition, yours?

Yep... AMR flew the F100.... and do they NOW?.....hell no. they dumped them after only a few years because the RATES APA wanted to fly them was to steep for the botton line...... When I flew at AE "back in the day"..... APA didnt want to fly the F100 nor did they want Eagle to fly it....

By the current industry standard.

Oh and bye the way, love your profile pic. I am a huge Maiden fan. Can't wait to see the 757 with Eddie on it flying in next year.

Great post.

To answer your question look a few posts earlier, these guys blatantly say they 'don't care about what goes on at other regionals.' Unfortunately they don't understand that this attitude is detrimental to the entire profession.

If you don't want ALPA, that's fine. If you don't want a union period, that's OK too, but you better have something to show for it.

Maybe the time will come later, especially if PNCL leapfrogs SKW on their next contract. Then the pressure will be on you guys to 'bargain' (read: beg) for a new deal.

The TSA contract did include such language, go read it for yourself.