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citationdrvrmob 11-11-2007 11:25 AM

RAH Interview
 
I have an interview with RAH on the 20th. What kind of simulator have you guys used recently for the interview? I've heard everything from an old Baron FTD to something with glass. Just would like a head's up.

Thanks!

citationdrvrmob 11-11-2007 11:25 AM

Also, when do I need to tell them that I prefer S5?

HercDriver130 11-11-2007 12:19 PM

They use a PCATD desktop sim for the eval....IF you get the sim.... only 4 of 6 the day I interviewed got the sim eval. ( both of the guys who did not get the sim eval did NOT get offered a position. )

It was configured like a Baron but was very straight forward. T/O... climb out then direct to a VOR for a hold... couple turns in holding... then direct to the OM for the full procedure turn ILS followed by a missed ....engine failure on the missed.... eval over.

They will more than likely ask you during your 2 on 1 interview that IF you were offered a job which crew base would be your choice. I was NEVER asked out right which certificate ....just base.

The tests are straightforward. Have your info for the PRIA paper work ready. Our whole group was done by 10 minutes till 1 in the afternoon. I was the last to go to the sim eval and the last to do the HR/Pilot interview. They called me while I was still at the airport with the offer.

Good luck.

birdlj 11-11-2007 02:45 PM

Are they still doing a 25? written

Joeshmoe 11-11-2007 03:17 PM

Pretty much what Herc said. I didn't have to do sim (121 qualified) and was offered S5 after telling them I wanted ORD as a base. Still took the Wonderlic test. 50 questions in 12 minutes. Obviously you can't finish them all but I would suggest getting through at least 25 of them. One dude who said he was on #19 when the timer went off went home after testing. 25 question technical test, easy. Get gouges of aviationinterviews.com and its pretty spot on. Good luck.

HercDriver130 11-11-2007 05:49 PM

I thought I was flying thru the wonderlick and only got to 32...... I dont think we had anyone less than 25 or 26.... questions...

Yea the tech test was pretty basic IFR type stuff with a couple of MET questions...

nathanexplosion 11-12-2007 09:15 AM

Some RAH interview gouge here:

http://www.mypilotcareer.com/

ToiletDuck 11-12-2007 10:12 AM

Get flightsim 2004 or 2006 and load a baron. It's the same exact plane. Practice shooting the ILS into INDY(32 or 36 I think it is). I beat that thing like it owed me money all thanks to flightsim! I was hired in March and I had to do all the tests and the sim. I studied the cheat sheet and it made no difference. I read the IFR oral guide on my way up there to brush up on everything and aced the tests and had a coffee break while everyone was still in there taking it. Had I not randomly found my IFR oral guide while unpacking a box I probably would have spent the whole time in there on those tests. Half the things they asked left me sitting there wondering who really cares. I mean when's the last time ATC asked you to do a DFsteer?

I'd stay away from that gouge. Almost nothing in it was in my tests. Just hit the IFR oral guide/ATP oral guide and you'll ace them.

Joeshmoe 11-12-2007 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 261996)
Get flightsim 2004 or 2006 and load a baron. It's the same exact plane. Practice shooting the ILS into INDY(32 or 36 I think it is). I beat that thing like it owed me money all thanks to flightsim! I was hired in March and I had to do all the tests and the sim. I studied the cheat sheet and it made no difference. I read the IFR oral guide on my way up there to brush up on everything and aced the tests and had a coffee break while everyone was still in there taking it. Had I not randomly found my IFR oral guide while unpacking a box I probably would have spent the whole time in there on those tests. Half the things they asked left me sitting there wondering who really cares. I mean when's the last time ATC asked you to do a DFsteer?

I'd stay away from that gouge. Almost nothing in it was in my tests. Just hit the IFR oral guide/ATP oral guide and you'll ace them.

Mine was almost word for word from the gouges. Nothing from ATP so I'd study both.

texaspilot76 11-12-2007 04:02 PM

What are Republic upgrade mins?

cbire880 11-12-2007 04:54 PM

2500 total expect 3ish years to upgrade as a new hire today.

samiboy05 11-12-2007 05:05 PM

Go to http://www.aviationinterviews.com/ and get Chautauqua s gouge (check the answers) cognitive learning assessment test, and HR/oral. Sim easy some1 crashed it and still got the job. They wil try to give you what you want but it all depends what they need. GOOD LUCK

Baronpilot 11-12-2007 05:11 PM

What are new hires typically getting? I imagine the 170 goes to those with previous 121 experience and those who upgrade into it.

samiboy05 11-12-2007 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by Baronpilot (Post 262155)
What are new hires typically getting? I imagine the 170 goes to those with previous 121 experience and those who upgrade into it.


I think its what they need. I got 170 without 121 experince. Take what ever they give you, its good company with great staff.

Baronpilot 11-12-2007 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by samiboy05 (Post 262162)
I think its what they need. I got 170 without 121 experince. Take what ever they give you, its good company with great staff.

Great to know. Thanks.

maxfli5o 11-12-2007 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 261636)
They use a PCATD desktop sim for the eval....IF you get the sim.... only 4 of 6 the day I interviewed got the sim eval. ( both of the guys who did not get the sim eval did NOT get offered a position. )

It was configured like a Baron but was very straight forward. T/O... climb out then direct to a VOR for a hold... couple turns in holding... then direct to the OM for the full procedure turn ILS followed by a missed ....engine failure on the missed.... eval over.

They will more than likely ask you during your 2 on 1 interview that IF you were offered a job which crew base would be your choice. I was NEVER asked out right which certificate ....just base.

The tests are straightforward. Have your info for the PRIA paper work ready. Our whole group was done by 10 minutes till 1 in the afternoon. I was the last to go to the sim eval and the last to do the HR/Pilot interview. They called me while I was still at the airport with the offer.

Good luck.

I was the first of the 6 to get the SIM and I had 121 experience. Everything you said is true. When I got to the interview, they said the guy who called me made a mistake and I didn't have to do the SIM. Oh well. haha, it took me 20 seconds to realize the engine failed after the go-around. They are looking for procedures. As soon as I did my mixture, prop, throttle, gear up, flaps up, ident, verify, feather, and call atc and tell them what I wanted he said "done." Just looking for procedures.



Originally Posted by Joeshmoe (Post 261692)
Pretty much what Herc said. I didn't have to do sim (121 qualified) and was offered S5 after telling them I wanted ORD as a base. Still took the Wonderlic test. 50 questions in 12 minutes. Obviously you can't finish them all but I would suggest getting through at least 25 of them. One dude who said he was on #19 when the timer went off went home after testing. 25 question technical test, easy. Get gouges of aviationinterviews.com and its pretty spot on. Good luck.

I got 44


Originally Posted by Joeshmoe (Post 262007)
Mine was almost word for word from the gouges. Nothing from ATP so I'd study both.

Mine too

maxfli5o 11-12-2007 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by Baronpilot (Post 262165)
Great to know. Thanks.

They gave me the CHQ and I had 121 experience. I couldn't make the class date because it was 2 days away. I couldn't leave my old job like that. They gave me the next class... S5. I really don't think you can base which certificate on your experience. It's up to them.

HercDriver130 11-12-2007 06:20 PM

44 ....thats unreal.... WOW....

I think in general they try to give you the cert that will get you to the base you want at some point. But certainly what they need is gonna be a priority.

Max.... im with ya brother... with out the feel of the yaw...it took a bit to realize he had failed the right side... like you said though... your the verify / shutdown check....sim over. DECLARE and EMERGENCY...

maxfli5o 11-12-2007 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 262207)
44 ....thats unreal.... WOW....

I think in general they try to give you the cert that will get you to the base you want at some point. But certainly what they need is gonna be a priority.

Max.... im with ya brother... with out the feel of the yaw...it took a bit to realize he had failed the right side... like you said though... your the verify / shutdown check....sim over. DECLARE and EMERGENCY...

haha. I was trying to figure out why I couldn't climb. Then I look at the manifold pressure and finally figured it out. Also, when I took off runway 23, instead of going right direct the brickyard vor, I went left. I still got there. He just said fly direct. Plus, my altitude was all over during straight and level. I nailed the procedure part, and the ILS made a nice cross the whole way down. You can definitely make errors. The guy even told me... "I don't even know why we use something like this for interviews... but we do. We're looking for procedures"

keiundraj 11-12-2007 07:03 PM

On mine they killed my right engine, but the left speaker was on the floor behind the computer so when I verified, Feather and Cut the Mixture, Me and the guy doing my eval thought I'd killed the wrong engine. I was like What Happen, he said I don't know but I know I killed your right engine. Then He got up and noticed the Left speaker on the floor behind the desk. I was like PHEWWW!!!

citationdrvrmob 11-12-2007 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by cbire880 (Post 262142)
2500 total expect 3ish years to upgrade as a new hire today.

3ish years??? What did the guys who were hired in 2006 that upgraded have when they were hired?

ToiletDuck 11-12-2007 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by Joeshmoe (Post 262007)
Mine was almost word for word from the gouges. Nothing from ATP so I'd study both.

The gouge came from the IFR oral guide. There's a whole pool of questions. Why run the risk of getting different ones. Just go through the oral guide and have it all. Like I said, nothing on mine was from the gouge. Everyone in my class studied it and they took a while to get through.

ToiletDuck 11-12-2007 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by citationdrvrmob (Post 262245)
3ish years??? What did the guys who were hired in 2006 that upgraded have when they were hired?

You just have to have the ATP to upgrade so the upgrade requirements are the ATP requirements. 3ish years is just a guess on his part. If you do some searching to the end of 06 everyone was saying the same thing and as you can see the newest awards went to Nov. 06 guys.

Joeshmoe 11-12-2007 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 261996)
Get flightsim 2004 or 2006 and load a baron. It's the same exact plane. Practice shooting the ILS into INDY(32 or 36 I think it is). I beat that thing like it owed me money all thanks to flightsim! I was hired in March and I had to do all the tests and the sim. I studied the cheat sheet and it made no difference. I read the IFR oral guide on my way up there to brush up on everything and aced the tests and had a coffee break while everyone was still in there taking it. Had I not randomly found my IFR oral guide while unpacking a box I probably would have spent the whole time in there on those tests. Half the things they asked left me sitting there wondering who really cares. I mean when's the last time ATC asked you to do a DFsteer?

I'd stay away from that gouge. Almost nothing in it was in my tests. Just hit the IFR oral guide/ATP oral guide and you'll ace them.


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 262263)
The gouge came from the IFR oral guide. There's a whole pool of questions. Why run the risk of getting different ones. Just go through the oral guide and have it all. Like I said, nothing on mine was from the gouge. Everyone in my class studied it and they took a while to get through.

So wait........you say stay away from the gouge and just study the IFR oral guide but then the gouge comes from the IFR oral guide?????? Just wondering what advice it is you are giving for the perspectives......

ToiletDuck 11-12-2007 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by Joeshmoe (Post 262278)
So wait........you say stay away from the gouge and just study the IFR oral guide but then the gouge comes from the IFR oral guide?????? Just wondering what advice it is you are giving for the perspectives......

Are you being serious? Isn't it obvious? Unless the gouge contains all the questions from the oral guide then it isn't as complete. Which is sure doesn't. Doesn't even come close. Don't know how many times i have to say this but I'll toss it out there one more time. OUR TEST QUESTIONS WERE NOT THE QUESTIONS ON THE GOUGE. THEY WERE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS THAT CAN BE FOUND IN THE ORAL GUIDE.

I guess if our "perspectives" can't understand the statements then they just might not have the mental ability to pass the tests. After all it's basically a test question in itself.

Pick the answer that seems most accurate.
All gouge questions come from the oral guides, all test questions come from the oral guides, therefore:
A: All test questions come from the gouge.
B: Some test questions come from the gouge.
C: It's completely plausible that there could be questions, a ton of them, that are in the 100+page oral guide that are not in the 3 page gouge that were asked.

Joeshmoe 11-12-2007 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 262289)
Are you being serious? Isn't it obvious? Unless the gouge contains all the questions from the oral guide then it isn't as complete. Which is sure doesn't. Doesn't even come close. Don't know how many times i have to say this but I'll toss it out there one more time. OUR TEST QUESTIONS WERE NOT THE QUESTIONS ON THE GOUGE. THEY WERE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS THAT CAN BE FOUND IN THE ORAL GUIDE.

I guess if our "perspectives" can't understand the statements then they just might not have the mental ability to pass the tests. After all it's basically a test question in itself.

Pick the answer that seems most accurate.
All gouge questions come from the oral guides, all test questions come from the oral guides, therefore:
A: All test questions come from the gouge.
B: Some test questions come from the gouge.
C: It's completely plausible that there could be questions, a ton of them, that are in the 100+page oral guide that are not in the 3 page gouge that were asked.

Yes, dead serious. No, not obvious at all. Again, your quote was "The gouge came from the IFR oral guide." Before you decide to short circuit go back and read what you wrote. No big deal though. No harm no foul.

WVFlyer 11-12-2007 10:24 PM

That is a question from the SAT college entrance test!

SharkyBN584 11-12-2007 10:39 PM


Originally Posted by citationdrvrmob (Post 262245)
3ish years??? What did the guys who were hired in 2006 that upgraded have when they were hired?

Most of the guys hired in 2006 were under the "old" minimums of 1500TT/300ME. I believe somewhere around October/November/December they lowered them to 1000TT/100ME.


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 262265)
You just have to have the ATP to upgrade so the upgrade requirements are the ATP requirements. 3ish years is just a guess on his part. If you do some searching to the end of 06 everyone was saying the same thing and as you can see the newest awards went to Nov. 06 guys.

You need at least 2500TT in order to upgrade in addition to the ATP mins. Someone with an ATP or meeting ATP mins that has below 2500TT would not be eligible for upgrade. It may be the reason this award went so junior as a friend of mine couldn't bid for this slot since he didn't have 2500TT. If it happened to him, I'm sure it happened to others as well.

When I got hired I figured a 2 year upgrade at least. I was wrong by about 6-9 months on the good side. Figure at least a 2 year upgrade here. Keep in mind that a lot of hiring occurred between Aug 06 - right now. Between me and the most junior captain before this award was over a year...however it was only about 250 numbers on the seniority list and the majority of those guys were J4J (i.e. not taking any upgrade). Between me and the most junior pilot at the company is a couple months over a year but over 800 numbers on the seniority list. It's a big difference.

Edit - In terms of upgrade though, ToiletDuck was closer than any of our guesses as to when people would upgrade. I don't think it'll stay as junior as this bid went...but I would consider his opinion since he was almost dead-on this time around.

cbire880 11-13-2007 06:20 PM

Yeah, I base the three years for someone hired today. We are not expect significant additional growth right now. Probably top out around 2300 pilots. We have just under 2100 right now. Junior upgrade this round was around 1250. Assuming average attrition of 30/month, that gives about 28-35 months based on which point of that hiring curve. Guys hired earlier this year will upgrade faster. That huge push from last fall to today really messes up predictions based on current events. The questions is when will the plateau hit.

Holy Toledo 11-13-2007 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by SharkyBN584 (Post 262311)
Most of the guys hired in 2006 were under the "old" minimums of 1500TT/300ME. I believe somewhere around October/November/December they lowered them to 1000TT/100ME.

March 1st is when the mins dropped to 1000/100.

madman moe 11-13-2007 09:54 PM


Originally Posted by cbire880 (Post 262818)
Yeah, I base the three years for someone hired today. We are not expect significant additional growth right now. Probably top out around 2300 pilots. We have just under 2100 right now. Junior upgrade this round was around 1250. Assuming average attrition of 30/month, that gives about 28-35 months based on which point of that hiring curve. Guys hired earlier this year will upgrade faster. That huge push from last fall to today really messes up predictions based on current events. The questions is when will the plateau hit.

Not saying you're wrong, but haven't I read somewhere that they said they're anticipating something like 700 new hires in '08?

ToiletDuck 11-13-2007 10:06 PM


Originally Posted by Joeshmoe (Post 262291)
Yes, dead serious. No, not obvious at all. Again, your quote was "The gouge came from the IFR oral guide." Before you decide to short circuit go back and read what you wrote. No big deal though. No harm no foul.

Yes I have and you're still missing the point which is somewhat troubling.

ToiletDuck 11-13-2007 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by madman moe (Post 262915)
Not saying you're wrong, but haven't I read somewhere that they said they're anticipating something like 700 new hires in '08?

madman it hasn't been written. He said it in the quarterly report. You can search here for the link and listen to it.

cbire880 11-14-2007 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by madman moe (Post 262915)
Not saying you're wrong, but haven't I read somewhere that they said they're anticipating something like 700 new hires in '08?

That sounds about right to me. (30/mo attrition = 360 pilots per year plus the growth from 2100 to 2300 = 200 pilots) That's 560 pilots. If attrition spikes to 40/mo then you get 680 pilots. I'm sticking to the 2-3 year estimate(hedging towards 3).

Joeshmoe 11-15-2007 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 262917)
Yes I have and you're still missing the point which is somewhat troubling.

Explain what "point" it is I am missing with it being CRYSTAL clear what you wrote was contradictory???? Quite honestly what is disturbing is that you still can't recognize it, BUT go ahead and try to convince me.

citationdrvrmob 11-19-2007 07:41 PM

Got the call about two hours after leaving the interview. S5, Jan 9, STL. Anyone else starting then? Gouge to follow.

Joeshmoe 11-19-2007 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by citationdrvrmob (Post 266111)
Got the call about two hours after leaving the interview. S5, Jan 9, STL. Anyone else starting then? Gouge to follow.

Atta boy. Congrats.

citationdrvrmob 11-19-2007 08:59 PM

HR made a big push to let us know that due to fleet increases and pilot attrition, they are planning to hire 1,000 pilots in 2008. I think I'm getting on at a great point in time.

HercDriver130 11-19-2007 10:22 PM

Thats good..JOE and I need more guys under us.. .:) since we start next week.....LOL

Now were they think they will find 1000 pilots in this market is anybodys guess......

btwissel 11-20-2007 05:37 AM

welcome aboard. you'll love the 170. it's a lazy pilots dream

oh, and thanks for padding the seniority list beneath me ;)


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