Hiring trends for 2008
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From: CRJ FO
Two reasons:
1. As airlines try to raise their ticket prices, one or two of the airlines -- either legacy or LCC -- will hold out, and the ticket prices come back down
2. Consumers have become conditioned to low airfares, and as ticket prices rise, demand falls off faster than ticket prices rise, and the result is a net loss in revenue.
Now in the last few months, the airlines have shown some ability to raise ticket prices and make it stick. Maybe they've gotten smarter.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21677016/
Will the airlines be able to raise ticket prices enough to make up for the jump in oil prices? We'll see. Let's hope so. But it ain't automatic.
#12
Average fair in the US from top 100 airports:
2004(2nd quarter)=$309.75
with 56,981,560 pax
2007(2nd quarter)=$326.22
with 64,914,490 pax
Both groups benefited from the fare increases of the past 15 months. Network airlines passenger revenue per originating passenger rose 15 percent since 2005 and 18 percent from 2001. Starting from a level less than half that of the network carriers, the low-cost group revenue per passenger rose 11 percent from 2005 and 23 percent from 2001.
I'm not saying it doesn't make any difference. However it's not the apocalyptic event some of you try to make it out to be. Currently supply is far beneath demand and the mainlines have no problems keeping their seats full. People flying non mainline routes and aren't part of alliances will feel the burn long before the rest. Point to point operators are the ones most at risk when prices are higher. The majors have the luxury of using their hubs.
#13
Most mainlines and regionals are still projecting modest-to-strong hiring through 2008. But any hiring projections right now are a crapshoot at best. $100/barrel oil and Ben Bernanke saying the subprime crisis has not bottomed out yet means the party could stop unexpectedly at any time.

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From: CRJ FO
I saw two oil industry analysts argue about the direction of crude prices. One said he thought it will collapse to below $75, the other thought it would keep climbing to $150. It just goes to show that not even "experts" know what's going to happen.
'Course if there's a recession, oil prices will fall, but the bad news is, then there's a recession (duh!).
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fuel prices can be easily coverd by raising the price of the ticket by a meger 10-15 dollars per pax. the thing is at some point EVERY AIRLINE will have to do it. everyone that has hedged the oil up will one day lose that and will face the same music everyone else has to. if there is one thing the airlines can actually do good it is agree when to raise the price, and do it at the same time.
http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/...fx4328686.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...d=networkfront
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Business/P...ory?id=3838837
http://www.rttnews.com/sp/todaystop....&item=55&vid=0
all over the world the ticket prices are going up, and we still have record number of people flying. even southwest is raising their prices.
if anything i tend to agree with tone, to a certain extent. although not to the extreme of rioting in the streets for firewood.
http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/...fx4328686.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...d=networkfront
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Business/P...ory?id=3838837
http://www.rttnews.com/sp/todaystop....&item=55&vid=0
all over the world the ticket prices are going up, and we still have record number of people flying. even southwest is raising their prices.
if anything i tend to agree with tone, to a certain extent. although not to the extreme of rioting in the streets for firewood.
#18
Negatory. Most of the majors have only about 30-40% of their 2007 and 2008 fuel supply hedged. The rest is bought on the spot market. And if they want to roll the dice, any future hedges will have to be locked in at current levels.
I saw two oil industry analysts argue about the direction of crude prices. One said he thought it will collapse to below $75, the other thought it would keep climbing to $150. It just goes to show that not even "experts" know what's going to happen.
'Course if there's a recession, oil prices will fall, but the bad news is, then there's a recession (duh!).
I saw two oil industry analysts argue about the direction of crude prices. One said he thought it will collapse to below $75, the other thought it would keep climbing to $150. It just goes to show that not even "experts" know what's going to happen.
'Course if there's a recession, oil prices will fall, but the bad news is, then there's a recession (duh!).
#19
Negatory. Most of the majors have only about 30-40% of their 2007 and 2008 fuel supply hedged. The rest is bought on the spot market. And if they want to roll the dice, any future hedges will have to be locked in at current levels.
I saw two oil industry analysts argue about the direction of crude prices. One said he thought it will collapse to below $75, the other thought it would keep climbing to $150. It just goes to show that not even "experts" know what's going to happen.
'Course if there's a recession, oil prices will fall, but the bad news is, then there's a recession (duh!).
I saw two oil industry analysts argue about the direction of crude prices. One said he thought it will collapse to below $75, the other thought it would keep climbing to $150. It just goes to show that not even "experts" know what's going to happen.
'Course if there's a recession, oil prices will fall, but the bad news is, then there's a recession (duh!).
Not sure about that! First you have the "sweet Nigerian crude" that produces the lowest percentage of sulfur when it's refined. Second, you have the Saudi's, followed by the Russians (Soviets), then bringing up the rear would be the Venezuelan oil which produces the highest percentage of sulfur when refined.
Not exactly sure if "OPEC", as we knew it, is as viable and influential as they were in the latter part of last century. The question we should be asking is which oil producing country do we buy most of our foreign oil from.
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