flight attendant then? big deal

actually i do, and so do other people i know that were at trans states when the whole gojet thing happened. we usually try to educate the young first officers, because they really didn't know any better and wish they hadn't taken the gojets job offer. and we usually point out what trans states contract said and how every off the street captain (or trans states fo or captain that went over there, hence "furloughed AA") purposely and willfully helped trans states holdings violate a "legally binding" contract.

actually, there is plenty of mainline "attitude" on this. i jumpseat all the time on united and american, and occasionally on us airways. i have had first officers and captains on all three of those carriers talk about gojets in a manner that shows they know what actually happened and why those gojets pilots should be treated as turncoats. i have been told by captains on all three of those carriers that they refuse to let gojets pilots jumpseat on their planes. i have had first officers and captains on all three of those carriers ask me detailed questions about the trans states contract, the intitial startup of gojets, the "proposal" offered by trans states to the trans states pilots, etc. so there is plenty of mainline interest, attitude, and cohesion on this issue.

the pilots that went to gojets when it first started knew exactly what they were doing. anyone hired there since has found out quickly why it is they are treated as pariahs. i do not personally, nor do i encourage anyone else to, get in anyone's face in an angry manner, or get into shouting matches, or "lose" their carry on bags, etc. i have seen these things done, and by mainline employees (pilots and rampers). i'm not really sure why you personally feel you need to constantly defend gojet pilots. i'm actually now thinking you are not really a gojets flight attendant, which makes it even more confusing why you would be defending them so much.

oh, and i personally know a gojets pilot who was specifically denied a job at a mainline carrier because he works at gojets. he was told that, to his face, by a captain in his interview. the interview ended right then. i do not say that to gloat on the fact, i only say it to show you that you are wrong when you say that there are no consequences to working at gojets.

 

all the pilots that work at gojets and have ever worked at gojets got jobs because they were willing to purposely violate a contract of an existing pilot group. there are people who did not know that at the time that they started working there, but they quickly learn that. anyone that stays past the point of enlightenment on that issue never deserves forgiveness.

 

I would be a street CA... BWAHAHAHA!!! Couldn't keep a straight face on that one. It works on so many levels...

 

Well there's no way to change the way they were started but at least they are union now! None the less, any pilot looking at starting a professional pilot career needs to spend a little more time researching his potential employer before signing on the dotted line. Those who do and don’t do the above research and still sign on with BlowJet, don’t deserve any respect. Sadly it will be a long long time before they do, but someday the sun will set and new day will arise.

I have a hard time forgiving stupidity, the ignorant can be educated but stupidity’s forever.

 

So do you have the same resentment towards Freedom newhires? Where's the real difference now? They both have unions.

 

i do not like to give opinions about things that i don't know enough about. freedom is one of those things. i know the original concept, but i don't know what became of it.

i was at trans states and lived through the gojets debacle. to say that gojets has a union now and should therefore be forgiven (if that's what you're saying?), is completely ridiculous. they had a union the day they started. 4 management people from trans states were the first 4 pilots on the gojets seniority list, and they immediately sent in teamsters cards. they "had a union" from day one, at least in the sense of inevitibility. that does nothing to diminish the fact that the trans states pilots contract (remember, "legally binding contract") specifically forbade the company from populating an altar ego carrier with anyone from outside the trans states seniority list. that same contract also specified pay rates. when the company came back to the pilot group many months later with a sham proposal, with lower pay and jacked up seniority list "merging", we voted it down because they had blatantly violated the contract. the arbitration judge sided with the company. so much for "legally binding", right? who cares if the teamsters are in there now? that means nothing.

 

Are you still at Trans ore are you a captain somewhere else?

 

giving the CRJ in his profile, i'd assume somewhere else.

As far as Freedom, i understood it as they're under a single seniority list now w/ regular mesa, and the forming of that list, created the "peaceful" situation that now exists, minus the freedom A guys, or the general feeling that's gotten when the name freedom comes up.

I'd see a merging of the seniority lists at GoJet / TSA as the end of the debacle, as there would be legitimate TSA employees working under TSA holdings for GoJet Airlines, at which point, things would probably mellow out some. However, those initial individuals would still be thought of in the same manner as the Freedom A listers....While TSA holdings was apparently pushing for seniority list merger language in the GoJet contract, it sounds like the company knows the potential to have this event actually occur in the future, on the contrary, the GoJet pilots were against the merger language, as i'm sure plenty are worried about the effects of a merger when one company is a mere 2 years old, and the other more than 20.

 

The fact that I am an FO at a regional is not at all an indicator of what my experience or time in the industry is. You make a lot of assumptions. The rest of your post is rubbish.

 

Can't we just get back to asking controllers what company Lindbergh is????