wolf

You are not seeing my point. The FO taking out the trash on the way out to his walk around does not take much time. However as I and many of my colleagues have noted, the company treats us like trash and most of us are not going to lift a finger to do anything more than is required by our contract until the company quits dragging their feet and gives us a fair contract.

It is ludicrous that management would even publish a memo like this considering the morale amongst the pilot group, unless someone has a sense of humor which I doubt. It goes to show how out of touch they are.

Regarding the comment somebody made about occasionally pushing little old ladies in wheelchairs, that is different. On many occasions I have done this and will continue to do this when necessary as an act of compassion towards another human being. It is not our job and the company (or it's contractors) should maintain the necessary staffing to get the job done but I will always help a person truly in need.

What I will not do is enable the company in any way until we get a fair contract and are treated with decency. Quid pro quo.

Silver02ex

Isn't that the job of XJ? Isn't that why they are paid to groom the airplane and take out the trash.

wolf

The pilot group overall is a great bunch. When we finally get a new contract it will be a good place to work as far as regionals go. For now though I would probably go to Mesaba if you're looking for DTW, MEM or MSP bases. Merry Christmas.

FliFast

With reference to pushing little old ladies in wheelchairs, re-read my post. AirTran recently sent a memo to Flt Attds. (that sit ready reserve at the airport in ATL) that they can assign them "wheelchair duty". Occasionally, AirTran pilots push wheelchairs by choice, which is great, but I would venture a guess that this kind act was the genesis for assigning F/As wheelchair duty. Pushing a little old lady might be a piece of cake, but pushing a wheelchair bound person that might be on the large side might be difficult to a F/A. I'm all for helping fellow human beings, but let's let the folks that do it as part of their job do it.

In simple terms, the F/As there are told to do it, not asked to do it. I applaud your compassion, but compassion is a choice not necessarily part of your job description, training, or paycheck.

Happy Holidays,

FF

wolf

I did read your post the first time and I was not referring to your post about FAs but this post about Pilots:


If you read my post, I would say that we agree. Happy holidays to you too.

wolf

In the interest of holiday cheer, I'm going to go out on a limb and hope that you were being sarcastic...

I do my job well. I also do nothing more than my contract requires until we get a new contract.

Joeshmoe

From what I've seen the ones who cry about this kind of thing are usually seen walking up the jetway and into the terminal with their backpack on, iPod in and hair spiked to the moon like they are on some Northshore beach break. I am ALL FOR you guys at Pinnacle getting a decent contract but come on, lets not use helping take out the garbage as an illustration as to why you are treated badly. Its just common courtesy if you have a spare minute to help out. Then again I guess I was raised differently than many of the kids out there flying today. Just my .02

mccube5

we are definitely all on the same page. where the line is crossed is when memos come out altering our "duties" as a flight crew to include duties that should be someone else's job.

like i said in my original post, i will continue to do those little things because i want to and its out of good nature, but the second a memo comes out that says i now HAVE to do it, you can bet your house that it's not gonna get done by me, its a matter of principle!

the pinnacle situation is a joke, i would love to crumple that paper up and fill one of the higher ups office with all the waste. the air tran situation is ridiculous too, no way should any of those people think about lifting a finger to help out. if thats gonna be part of the job then i want the extra 7.50 on my hourly rate for doing someone else's job (essentially the job of 2 people), not have it added to the bonus and dividend payout of the higher ups.

higney85

This mgmt group is F'n nuts if they think we are going to do this. IF they give me a (fair) contract, or my schedule on time without SCREWING with it first I will "think" about helping the company. I may get knocked down by mgmt and be more and more motivated to STFD but if they truly think I am going to take out the trash they are going to get kicked in the nuts by the whole group.

wolf

I suppose it would be safe to assume that it's a no then...

Merry Christmas Higney,

Wolf