Mesa Leaves/Locks Passenger On a Jet in ORD
01-01-2008 | 09:22 PM
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Not to hijack the thread but, huh? It obviously doesn't need ice protection since there hasn't been a CRJ or CL65 crash due to a tailplane stall... Should we say the same about the other manufacturers that don't anti-ice their tails...?
01-02-2008 | 04:56 AM
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Especially considering that no ice protection on the tail is normal for high flying turbine aircraft. Check out a 737. It has to do with the limited exposure to icing conditions as compared to a prop or t-prop.
01-02-2008 | 05:19 AM
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Limited exposure or not, I picked up severe (yes, severe) icing on approach to DEN. Even w/tail anti-icing on the Jungle Jet there were four inches of Rime in 20 seconds covering the aircraft. Glad I wasn't in the CRJ...Limited exposure? Thanks but no thanks!
01-02-2008 | 06:48 AM
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I've picked up some serious ice on the tail of the CRJ and never noticed a difference in handling. No biggie. I'll try to dig up the ice certification videos for the Challenger. Trust me- they build up a heck of a lot more than 4" of ice on the plane (all surfaces) during the certification tests. Those guys have to have guts to fly behind a tanker spraying water at FL300.
01-02-2008 | 06:56 AM
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I've picked up some serious ice on the tail of the CRJ and never noticed a difference in handling. No biggie. I'll try to dig up the ice certification videos for the Challenger. Trust me- they build up a heck of a lot more than 4" of ice on the plane (all surfaces) during the certification tests. Those guys have to have guts to fly behind a tanker spraying water at FL300.
01-03-2008 | 07:12 AM
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Yes that is a Saab 2000, and from people that I have talked to who have flown, quite possible the best TP ever built, too bad the RJ had to come along and ruin the chance of flying that.
01-03-2008 | 07:12 AM
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The 727 didn't have tail anti-ice either, but I've seen them completely iced up before...just like a CRJ tail. Just because there hasn't been an accident for tail stall (yet) doesn't mean it wouldn't be prudent to have tail anti-ice protection. The Beechjet has a known tail-stall issue related to icing (thing becomes a friggin' lawn dart!) and IIRC an inop tail heater is a no-go item.
I mean let's think about it, the airplane was designed by Canadians but it is absolutely horrid for errant EICAS messages when it gets cold-soaked and the flap fail issue has (in part) been attributed to slush/snow working its way into the system.
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