How long is reserve for S5 at ORD on the 170?

Narrow minded youth? Did you just make that assumption based on 1 sentence? Because I work for Republic, I must be a young, inexperienced, idiot? WOW.

I have 5 type ratings, I've flown 135, 121, cargo, freight, charter, etc. In both seats. I've been in an ALPA MEC and ran a succesful union drive. I've also been in airline management.

So, my "narrow-minded youth" opinion is that your friend did not do his homework before latching himself to a fleet at the end of it's growth cycle, where the most senior F/O has a late-2006 hire date. Not to mention a fleet who's death date was known before it ever came online.

If he wanted Denver, he should have only come for the RW certificate. With a little research he could have found out that there will be no F/O movement aside from light attrition and upgrades. The most senior F/O's on the CRJ have just been awarded captain positions, and those won't be effective until late spring/early summer.

Something tells me he came from Mesa flying the CRJ and wanted the 2500 bucks and didn't do any research outside of that. Who's fault is that?

He'll probably see an upgrade in two to three years and things will get better. You say he was hired in May, how long has he been on the line? 4 months? Tops? Did he think he was going to walkout of training with 16 days off and a commutable schedule?

That's one person's opinion who has been around the block.

Easy there buddy, it's an easy assumption to make when someone makes such a ridiculous comment as you did.

Yes he should have, but hindsight's 20-20.

Mesa……..LOL!

Take a journey back a few posts and you’ll see half a dozen times where I said he came from ASA not MAG! The 2500 bucks is nothing compare to what he'll lose in the long run. It will take him until year 3 to make what he would have made in year two at ASA. When you add the back pay, first year rate, second year rate, reserve time and training pay; it will take him 5-7 years to make up his losses. I’m sure if he had to do it over again he’d still be at ASA but he's not the kind to complain. He accepts his situation and understands his mistake, dwelling is a waist of time and energy.

Yes, he will upgrade in about two years, he’s ex-Mil and very bright. He’s been around and by no means expected an easy road but almost a year of reserve at RAH? You for one should know that's almost unimaginable.

Go Republic, the training program is reasonable. You don't need to know how many fan blades are in a CF34 8E5 becuase you can't do anything with them when you are sitting 25 feet in front of it at 35000' anyway.

This will fire everyone up, the 145's will be gone by the time you upgrade anyhow. Why learn 2 planes?

What was the breakdown of who went to what base? CMH would be the absoulte worst place for me in terms of commuting. I'm hoping for ATL, heard it was junior and no reserve, at least last month there was no reserve..

I'm actually hoping for CMH, live 10 min away! Are any certificates staying? The 170 to CMH is a big draw to Republic for me.

Thanks

no profers to ATL....4 for CMH and the rest split ORD and IND......

LOL....for ATL there are a 8 guys in this class who want it before you will get a shot.... good luck

LIAR! We need something to do the CAL flying.

And JetJock your friend did it to himself. He can leave if he doesn't like it. All the information needed about the CRJ was available upfront and any amount of research would have given him the full story on what was going on. The company had already said what bases they would be in. I know because I knew all that information prior to applying.

Well I'll take IND then ORD cause its an easy commute from SDF. CMH, I dunno. But first choice is whatever has the least reserve!!!

Did they give you a choice of CMH or ORD or IND or did they just put you in one?

did you get the shuttle side?!?!?! i would say take IND, easy drive from SDF and once you hold a line it will be a relatively easy drive up 65 for a few four days or whatever! CMH would be a double dead head through CVG or a 4 and half hour drive! ATL wouldnt be too bad of a commute but getting IND and driving would be easier and much less stress! Have fun!

Yeah I got Shuttle, but with gas at 3.15/gal and I drive a gas hog IND would be kinda expensive! It would cost me 75.00 in gas to go up and come back! Thats a whole trip's per diem!

He's not going anywhere. You know how it goes, "bitten once......!"

He likes RAH, I never said he didn't, so he's content with letting it play out. Remember, for the 5 time I've posted this, he has yet to truly complain. I'm making his argument for him in order to educate the new hire who was considering moving from the E-170 class to the CRJ class. My friend's a great guy and a fantastic father.

As for the info, you're telling me you knew the exact situation of your a/c seniority and where you'll be in relationship before you started. WOW, that's amazing; maybe you should go in business supplying pilots with this info. You'd make a killing and would be providing a service that would better our industry by stopping a large majority of pilots from falling into a less than favorable position.

Yes, he knew that the CR2 didn’t have a bright future at RAH (or anywhere else for that matter, doesn’t take a genius to figure this out) and that RAH wanted an all E-series fleet but he was told they were severely understaffed across the board. Explain to me how an RAH interviewee can gain this knowledge when he has no friends who were currently employed or any other way to gain the needed inside info when your interviewer is supplying less than accurate information. Why would anyone have any reason to not trust the words of their interviewer? You don't make waves when you want a job.

Remember that seniority list (airlines, aircraft and domicile) are not public information.

Here's all you need to know about aircraft at RAH:
-Stay away from the CRJ unless you live in or near IAH and don't mind collecting your min guarantee while sitting reserve.
-The 170 flies itself. Sometimes the pilots have to wake up and put the gear down, but that's only when the Auto Gear Putter-Downer is MELed.
...of course, this is all from a 145 guy who's still having trouble getting his seat exactly where he wants it.

well, you don't have to adjust speeds on TO (assuming you're using FMS speeds) it holds V2 until you hit VNAV, then i kicks up to 210, 230, and 250 as you retract flaps.

no more CHYNA Packs flow after TO. plane knows to kick in climb pwr, YD is on, and turns the packs back on by themselves, etc

oh, and it autotunes the LOC for you assuming you loaded the approach in the FMS.

now, if i can find a way for it to autotune the next ATC freq, i'm set...

and the jumpseat is actually a bit nicer. your knees only hang a bit over the pedestal, not almost over the thrust levers.

Popa, you're just jealous that i got a better gig after bailing from TSA than you did!

"Auto Gear Putter-Downer is MELed" that's when we're on the last leg after a 450 show and you fall asleep before the marker.

Not to hijack the thread, but I have a somewhat related question. Where does Republic do their initial training for new FOs? Is it Indy?

Shuttle and Republic are in STL. Chautauqua is in IND. Sims are in STL mostly.

Actually the 170 FO must be much more alert now that CHQ guys are upgrading to it rapidly. There is a strong tendancy to turn the auto pilot off and fight the auto-throttles for control. And this hand flying business? Didn't we get away from the 10 years ago? :D

Not sure what the latest is but Montreal for Republic and Paris France for Shuttle are the back ups. Also Orlando at Jet Blue U mostly for recurrents.

I'll remember you said that when you're throwing my gear, Junior. :p

Yeah, brand new CHQ CA transfers can get exciting some times. The automation is just different enough apparently to cause some confusion if you don't drop your 145 ways. I've been lucky though. I haven't flown with anyone who refuses to drop their Chautauqua-isms yet.

They're out there....beware.

I dont know about that, beeing a 145 FO at RAH is much better than beeing a 170 FO! You'll see why here in the next 24 months!

Current Shuttle class in sims mostly in STL with only a few in MCO. International sims are the back-ups when things are totally backlogged as its around $6K per pilot to get them to France and keep them there for sim.

I just got a 145 class. What does this mean. Would I end up like the CRJ guy on the bottom of the list forever?

I am in the March 5th CRJ class and i am a bit concerned about the 30 hrs of flying people are talking about. Being a long way from home commuter concerns me with this kind of flying. I though you flew a lot during reserve..

It will depend month to month.

Not forever. Only until there are more hired behind you.

I'm seriously thinking about making the jump over to you guys. I just got my app in. I'm coming for the better upgrade time almost strictly. Its probably going to be 4 or 5 more years at my carrier, and really not sure if I want to be an FO for all that time. I'm on the CRJ now. But I guess the CRJ is not the one to get at CHQ. I'd like the 170, and looks like you are saying the RW is the place to go for that. Is that because of more movement? What's reserve like in places like DCA, PHL or PIT? I really have no idea what base I want. Something commutable, like ORD or PHL. I'll even take LGA on the 145.

So....is it still a good place to upgrade? I saw maybe upgrade may go up to 2 or 3 years vs. a little over 1 now, due to all the new hires to get upgraded ahead of me.

Would they offer me a 170 slot seeing how I have 121 time already, or is it random?

And how is reserve life? 90 min or 2 hour call out? Are there any other times for a longer call out? I suppose it depends on where you are based.
And I'm all about going where there is the most movement, taking a quick upgrade to make up for my 1 year given up at my current airline.

No, I was just screwing with the 145 guys. If you don't have base preference take the 145, get to know it upgrade time is running about a year if you'll have 2500 hours by then. There is usually a little wiggle room if you are not locked into a class date. I got the 170 once I found out there was another class and I met the (at the time, 1500 hours). No base preference take the quick one.

Honestly I think its the CRJ's that are on the plank. Welcome to RAH

realistically I would say you are looking at three years at least at this point for a n upgrade.... and then if you take the first thing available. You will be offered a specific cert if you are offered a position. CHQ flys the 145 and its variants... RW and S5 both fly ONLY the 170/175. You wont find out which base you will get ( based on senority ) until sometime during sim training....5ish weeks after training starts. 90 minute callout for reserve. Good luck.

Long and short, you won't sit reserve at Republic in PHL or DC, you'll hold a line fairly soon I think anywhere except Denver. There are always upgrades ahead of you. If you take the crj you'll get $2500 I believe since you have crj time. Upgrade is about a year and 10 months on the 170, a year and 2 on the 145. Will it fluctuate, sure but Bedford's wife is pregnant again so from what I hear that means another code share. As mesa crumbles that should mean more flying for us and the others... Airways likes US so i don't think we are going anywhere for a while with them, if they survive.:rolleyes: Come here is my suggestion but you have to do what is right for you.

What do you know that the entire rest of the flight line doesn't? Are we loosing a code share? We have 2000 on the list now, hiring 60 a month for growth and attrition. I don't think its ever taken 3 years to upgrade here.

i dont think they ever hired 800 pilots in a year here either!

There is no "thinking" involved; BB has said repeatedly that the CRJs will be gone when there leases are up (within the next 12 months they start to expire)

Not saying I am the know all around here, certainly not. I've just never flown with a captain in the past 8 months that has taken that long to upgrade unless they delayed it themselves for QOL issues. All of the check airman tell me to expect it sooner than later and nothing indicates a downturn of our flying. Just curious what the other person was talking about when mentioning a 3 year upgrade. I know 10 people alone that are moving on this month to other companies.

Anyhow, not interested in an inter-office ****ing match, certainly not a fan of the kool aid myself just try to deliver what I know to be good information to those interested in coming here. Could I be wrong, we all could be.

gee dude....dont take it personally.... FIRST if a decent upgrade is possible sooner.. grab it.... and remember you are talking about upgrades NOW. It could be less than three it could be more. I said three years to be on the long side. And yes we are hiring like mad. I flew for AE in 92-94... and they were hiring 90 per month..... my class had 90 in it. it was the LAST class for several years. SO... you just never know. I hope WE ALL can upgrade when and where we want..... but thats probably just a bit optimistic. Good luck to all.

ok lets do some simple math! there are 2300 pilots on the list now. That would put the average, (hence not most junior captain) junior captains in the 1200-1300 range! So 2300-1300=1000 pilots. lets go high on the attrition and say 30 a month! 1000 pilots divided by 30 a month equals 33.4 months! Now take 33.4 months and divide it by 12 months in a year! and bingo 2.7777777repeating years!

How many A/C are they adding this year? Each aircraft will add 4-5 upgrades a piece.

Regardless, there are worse places to sit in the right seat for a couple years.