Republic vs Shuttle
 

If you are looking for CMH as a base would one be better than the other?

Republic or CHQ. As an FO you'll be paid the same on either so no reason to just jump at the 170. If CMH is your choice then spring for one or the other.

I was supposed to be in the Jan 30 CHQ class but I got an email today saying that they want volunteers to go to the CRJ class so I don't know if they are running a 145 class also or not so it looks like either take a Shuttle or Republic class in February or wait until March and take a CHQ class. I don't want to wait two more months.

Between Shuttle or Republic, take Republic. Right now, growth and/or bigger airplanes have to go there.

Would CMH be possible out of training? Is it even open yet?

Thats funny to hear the 145 described as a "do it your self type plane".:D I think every switch in the 145 has an "auto" position.

If the JungleJet is "DIY," what the heck do they call the CRJ-200?! LoL

Why do the additional airplanes have to go to Republic? Can't they go to Shuttle too?

more planes will be at shuttle but planes with more seats will be going to republic!!!!

The Jan. 30th class is still going on, they have just decided to reduce the size and put some people in a CRJ class.

The -200 is like a dinosaur compared to all of the automation in the E-jet!

I'd venture to say not only possible, but probable. It isn't open yet, but by the time your training is done, it should be.

I thought Dinosaurs were extinct?! ;)

Per the current contract, you can take any seat your seniority will hold, as long as it is a pay increase.

-a 145 FO can take 170 CA when seniority will hold it
-an FO on anything CANNOT take FO on anything else as all FO payrates are the same
-a Republic 170 CA cannot take Shuttle 170 CA as it is not a pay increase
-a 145 CA can take 170 CA after sitting through the 2 year seat lock

How about holding STL on CHQ right out of class. Possible?

I start IOE with CHQ on Friday. 11 out of 27 in my class (including me) just got assigned STL, and I'm 2nd from last as far as seniority goes. Who knows how it'll be in the future though.

always love hearing how "non-automated" the 145 is....really gotta jumpseat on one of those 170's to see if it really flies itself for me....everything i want in the 145 is only a button press away.

student pilot here... just a quick question

When you apply for Republic, do you have an interview with them and then they put you into one of the three (republic, chautauqua, shuttle america)? or each subsidiary is independent and has its own interview and application process??

I'm about to start at shuttle coming from the 145 so I'll report back and let you know. I did have the opportunity to non-rev on Republic a few weeks ago and got a quick tour of the cockpit. One tidbit I picked up from the FO was that there is an "auto" switch for the bleeds and packs and the buttons are left in all the time. So I guess the answer is in the 145 everything you want is a button press away, in the 170 you don't even need to press the button. ;)

well if you dont have to push those buttons what else is there for a 145 FO to do! Oh yeah....sling the gear, and take credit for the bad landings

Don't worry the pax already assume the bad landings are the FO, or at least the ones who don't think the autopilot lands the plane or ATC does by remote control. Let's hope they never decide to automate the gear handle... :eek:

How long is the current process from application to interview to starting training?

Thanks

about 38 minutes! Bring some materials to the interview they might offer u a class that day!

Good luck

Yep....not a lot of button pushing in the 170.... just alot of making sure the buttons are still in their AUTO position so that "system logic" can do it all for you. We actually do mess with the hydrauilic pumps a bit.... and well we still turn the lights on and off...... and well there is TONS of button pushing with the FMS and Guidance Panel ......Embraer was nice enough to put a couple of yokes in the cockpit but I am not sure why.... between the autothrottles and everything else its a flying PC. :)

All kidding aside it is very very automated and "the company" encourages the use of automation to the fullest.......

As for CMH.... i am on the Shuttle cert and just got CMH.....you can have my slot..... just as soon as they let my rebel butt back to ATL....:)

p.s.......SIM 6 tonight.....oh and squeezed in between or 11pm to 3am sim last night and tonights 11pm sim ....we have the oral portion of our checkride.... hum.....what was that limitation again.......

That SUX! Let’s say your wife takes a new job in a city that has a Shuttle E-170 base but you are a Republic E-170 pilot. You're screwed!

Also a friend of mine was hired into the CRJ back in May of 07 & he’s still sitting reserve in IAH! If he was able to transition he could gain better QOL. This seems like a very poor policy for both the pilots & Mgmnt. I understand Mgmnt doesn’t want to pay additional training cost but I argue that they are anyways plus the cost of sitting pilots. Having to hire newbie’s on the E-170 because they are so short staffed when they are obviously fat on CRJ FO’s. So they still have to pay for training on the newbie as well as pay for pilots to sit on their asses on the CRJ.

According to my friend, he only flies about 30 hours a month and has NEVER broken guarantee. His initials are RM if anyone at RAH wants to check my sources.

For those thinking about changing classes and/or going to the CRJ at RAH, don’t do it! Take the Jungle Bus or the Jungle Jet! There is no growth on Canada’s Reset Jet so you'll be on reserve for a LONG LONG time (remember that those infront of you on the CRJ are junior as well) and don’t expect to upgrade soon seeing you probably got hired with around 1000 hours and you’re only going to fly round 30 or so hours a month. You do the math.

That is pretty much all true. A couple guys above me on the list even had FULL TIME jobs at Six Flags this summer in SDF. But in my situation reserve on the CRJ is actually pretty great. I did a lateral transition from Mesa where I was on reserve with 8 days off to CHQ where I moved to base and fly at MOST 10 days a month on reserve. It sucks for guys who commute and/or don't have enough hours to upgrade. But for me its the best QOL I've ever had. Not to mention the signing bonus I got for going to the CRJ.

Couldn't agree more. Back to the original question...stay away from Shuttle at CMH. The lines are decreasing and continue to go to ATL. Reserve is currently 7+ months, flying 20 hours every 3 weeks.

well if the lines are increasing in ATL.... funny nobody in the lastest S5 class got assigned there even with 7 people asking for it.....hopefully in a few months.....

Probably b/c plenty of senior FOs already bid it and you are backfilling their spots in CMH. ATL was a very desirable base compared to the RW openings of PHL and CMH.

JetJock -

In regards to your friend, he got hired on to an airplane where he knew they were only taking 24 of them. That, and it was a start-up so there would be zero movement on the FO list until they could either upgrade or they left. What did he think was going to happen??

Yes, living in Domicile changes everything, but he's commuting from PHX and has a kid with one on the way. He dreams of DEN but understands his only chance for a change is upgrade and even then the change is only more pay.

He's looking forward to his little boy being born so he can take FULL FMLA and spend 12 weeks at home while working a part time job. If you subtract his cost of sitting reserve in IAH (crashpad, food, etc) from what he's currently making and compare it to his income from the part time job; he'll make more on FMLA than he is on reserve.

No, when he was hired they told him they'll be increasing their CRJ fleet per the contract. What he was told and expect vs. the situation that unfolded were completely different. He was very excited when he was first hired, thinking that the CRJ in IAH would be junior (it is) and that he’s getting in on the ground floor (CAL flying yes, CAL CRJ no). Well he was partially right, the CRJ is very junior and until those junior FO’s upgrade in front of him he’s stuck.

BTW, he came from ASA just after he hit the one year mark. I’m pretty certain he’s regretting it! Solid line holder at ASA being paid $35.--/hr vs. reserve at RAH being paid $23.--/hr. with second year around $31/hr. Upgrade at ASA 3 years and had 1 down vs. 2 at RAH (equals wash on upgrade). Basically the only benefits are not having to commute to ATL but I’m sure he’d take the extra 1.5 hours in flight to make the extra $15k (year 1 at RAH vs. year 2 at ASA) he’d be making (add second year pay difference ($31 vs.$37) and it'll be a total of around $20K-$25K in total difference). He did get the bonus but that as well is a wash seeing he would have got the back pay when ASA signed their new TA. FWIW, I’m assuming he’s regretting it, he hasn’t said he is. He as said the QOL at both airlines is pretty well equal.

So who put the gun to his head and made him take the job?

You're showing your narrow-minded youth.

Remember that in the end it's all dumb luck, if you don't believe me just ask any TWA, Braniff, Eastern, Western, Pan Am, US Airways, AA, UAL, NWA, UPS, FedEx, SWA or any other pilot who's been around the block! He took a chance and lost, respect his courage and that of everyone else who searches for a better life!

As I said, he thought he was getting in on the ground floor and ASA was in the middle of heated negotiations. On paper it looked like a no brainier, just goes to show you the grass isn't always greener.

If they are so fat on FO's then why are they running a CRJ class at the end of the month? I hope they don't put people in it that don't want it.

They just put out a bid for CRJ CAs. They are probably expecting some of the FOs to upgrade and will need to back fill. There isn't a huge rush in the senior FO ranks to go sit reserve on the CRJ for 2 years.

How big is the class? 5? 10? When was the last CRJ class? Upgrades do happen and he's still sitting reserve in Jan with a hire date in May of 07. If you're feeling lucky then go for it. LOL!

One things for sure, RAH's CRJ pilots are junior and RAH's not buying anymore of them. If you have a choice, go where the growth is seeing that's where you'll be until you upgrade, go Jungle Bus!

Best of luck and I mean no offense; just giving one pilot's tragic RAH story so that others can learn and not make the same mistake. I would still recommend RAH to any pilot but not their CRJ.

She said they were looking for 8 volunteers. I wonder what they'll do if no one wants it.

Good luck & congrats on getting hired by RAH.

Obviously I work for SKW so take my advice for what you will, but AVOID THE CRJ! Don’t let your joy for being hired get you into a bad situation!