i call bs on the colgan statement. word is they are going with an all bombardier q fleet of 200's and 400's in the future. no more saabs for them. they are trying to slowly get rid of them in the future.

Just think how much more bitter you will become if more 400's come on line. Plus, I am sure you know more about the workings of Colgan than I do, I only work for them.

I can understand there are many senior FO's who are bitter about being here for soooo long. I would be bitter too if I rode it out at Eagle for 8 years in the right seat. But the fact is that many FO's who do have the internal rec's and a good resume from previous experieneces, are getting good jobs at majors after being here for only a few years, while many others wait and wait for an upgrade. Last I checked it is more important to get that job at a major than just logging TPIC time. Half of the majors are hiring now without the turbine PIC time, as well as NetJets, JetBlue, and Atlas.

Coming into this 8 years ago, Im sure you had no idea it was going to be this long. And you cant proove that the people getting hired right now wont have to wait 4 years for an upgrade, especially with all the change that could happen over the next year. But the fact is, minus the wait for the upgrade, Eagle is still one of the better companies to work at compared to the whole board of regional airlines. And its not fair to say "Eagle sucks, dont work here" because that is not true.

The long upgrade, is not new news. Everyone already knows about it.

Cheers.

Why some Look negatively at Colgan (my perspective)
 

refer to my new thread

I did reply to the new thread.

You can have your Q400s, and flying them for sub-standard pay and benefits.

But Upgrades are quick!!!!!! Who cares!!:rolleyes:

What? Get your facts straight. CAL has hired 1200 pilots since 2005. Only a few have quit, but not because CAL sucks. They got a "better" offer. Some have left for Delta or Southwest because they lived near their hub. EWR is awesome to fly out of (some of the best trips at CAL). I've flown out of EWR for 12 years. I don't live there. I wouldn't live near any major airport. What's wrong with being a EWR 737 reserve Captain? Twelve days off minimum and $150/hour with 76 hour min pay (that's $11,400/month). Three or nine hour call reserve. I've never flown over 50 hours on reserve at CAL and had many months with less than 5 hours. Is reserve better at the regionals? There are no 2 year Captain's at CAL. There are a few at about 3 years (except for the chief's son, he's closer to 2). I'm a former regional pilot, so I've seen both sides. CAL is 1000% better than any regional.

Quick upgrade is even more important now that 65 has passed. The best position you can be in if the Majors start slowing hiring down is at a Regional logging PIC, 900 hours a year PIC at that.

Why logging this PIC you can look at other options beside the Majors, like the growing fractional market.

For most of us the Regionals are all about getting in a getting out ASAP. Nobody looks at Regional pay scales at the 8-12 year level. The way to get out is PIC as quickly as possible.

Most of us instructed at a school where we were billed out at a cost much higher than what we were paid. Why did we do this? To get the dual given time and get out. The used us and we used them for the time. The Regional market is a lot like that. What logical person would spend $50K+ on a education to make such little at a Regional. Whether it is Great Lakes pay or SkyWest pay it is too little for what we do, so why do we do it. We do it to get the TPIC and move on, they use us and we use them.

That is my point. You get the PIC where you can and get out because no matter what Regional you are at, the grass is truly greener on the other side.