I was in the middle of a raw-data ILS to min's a couple months ago and the stupid mach-trim/stab-trim's disconnected...way out of trim for half the approach, the Captain timed it perfectly and got the trims re-engaged for me just before touchdown...making all the difference LoL

Has only happened to me that one...pucker-factor for sure. Good job, btw - and give ole' groovinaviator a pat on the back!

Dude, you and your raw data approaches. I guess I should bow to your superior piloting skillz.:D

Easy now...with my skillz I certainly need the practice :D And besides, you don't get the opportunity to fly to min's very often...gotta make the most of it!!

before you started the approach did you say "watch this!" you have to make sure to always say that so it can be on the NTSB report

I hate to sound like a jerk, but that is one of the stupidest things I think I've ever heard. I don't care who you are, I don't consider an aircraft with paying passengers in the back (some of whom I may care personally about) to be your personal skills consolidation device. If you think your skills are that bad then it is your responsibility to request additional training from the training department. Subjecting the flying public to your stupid pilot tricks is irresponsible at best and dangerous at worst. If I was your captain on that flight I would not have allowed it and we definitely would have had a conversation very similar to this when we parked at the gate. Now, VMC? Thats a different story. Raw data it up all you want.

Seriously dude, what do you have to prove? You wanna fly raw data to mins? Get your butt in the sim.

ghilis you are absolutely right! I should have declared an emergency for not having the FD up :eek:!!

What on earth was I thinking, actually flying an airplane. :rolleyes: That is way too dangerous. I'll remember for next time. Thanks for looking out for me.

I'll second the Parks comment, even if I do agree with Kansas a bit.

Parks did have a good part in it, but I bet that flying broken ass planes on their first flights also puts things into perspective.:D

Nice flying Groovin!

Checko

you know when you start off with something like that, i makes you sound even worse, no offense. i agree with FFB but i wouldnt necessarily take the same tone. yes were all pilots who can in theory fly an ILS raw data. and because we are all qualified to do so, I cant fault you for not using the AP or FD (In this case AP wasnt available to you anyway). What I can suggest to you next time however is to use those things because in an approach to minimums situation, a lot of things can go wrong, and you place a higher workload on the other pilot . i dont think its something you should be berated for, and FFB imo was being harsh on you.


btw my ntsb comment was a joke and only that, i wasnt critiscizing you (i say it randomly on almost every flight, along with "captain i dont think this is safe" for FDR comedic purposes)

You know what's even scarier to me? Having my family-members on any RJ these days, where I can guarantee you 9 out of 10 Pilots cannot fly an approach without the FD.

So does this mean that you will not let friends and family fly on those "dangerous" old-school birds like a DC-9 with no FD? I don't tell you how to fly an Airplane...

My apologies for jumping on you then LoL.

The CRJ makes it pretty easy to fix something if you're not on the FD...just punch "approach mode," for example, and viola - there is the FD...now just steer the plane into it ;)