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I like to keep the AP on for approaches to minimums simply for the sake of the missed. The 170 is a kick in the butt during a two engine go around. Its especially fast to a low level off missed. For that reason, I like to be able to just hit the TOGA button and observe the airplane go missed while I deal with all the configuration changes that are going on. It can be done by hand and should be in VMC or during sim training, but I'd rather free up the brain bytes for the other stuff going on.

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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 295476)

You know what's even scarier to me? Having my family-members on any RJ these days, where I can guarantee you 9 out of 10 Pilots cannot fly an approach without the FD.

So does this mean that you will not let friends and family fly on those "dangerous" old-school birds like a DC-9 with no FD? I don't tell you how to fly an Airplane...

Way to go buddy! You just insulted 9 out of 10 of us! Clearly you are God's gift to aviation and we are truly lucky to have the shining light of your presence cast upon us lowly autopilot and flight director addicted RJ pilots:rolleyes: I'll ask it again: what do you have to prove?

I'm not telling you how to fly your airplane. I'm just saying you shouldn't treat a jet transport aircraft with paying passengers in the back as a 172 you're up with your buddy shooting approaches in.

PS
I'm fairly certain every DC-9 I've been in the front of had a FD.

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Originally Posted by cbire880 (Post 295495)

Just did my first non-autopilot missed in DEN the other day, actually...Mesa couldn't get off the runway quick enough (nose-wheel steering?), so Tower sent us packing from 200 feet. Even though it was clear and a million, I really had to convince myself to not kick into warp-speed...I was surprised at how smoothly it went - the most difficult part was remembering the call-outs LoL, and we were in the -700 and light as hell.

FFB - you can just go ahead and start calling me Chuck Freakin' Yeager whenever you'd like :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 295572)

FFB - you can just go ahead and start calling me Chuck Freakin' Yeager whenever you'd like :rolleyes:

Not a chance, bud.:D

EDIT: Original post removed due to childishness

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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 295588)

Not a chance, bud.:D

EDIT: Original post removed due to childishness

Smart move

I had a plane recently that kept kicking off the stab/mach trims, but it turned out it was just the F/O hitting the disconnect thinking he was syncing the FD.

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Originally Posted by weasil (Post 295753)

I had a plane recently that kept kicking off the stab/mach trims, but it turned out it was just the F/O hitting the disconnect thinking he was syncing the FD.

That's priceless! Now that I think about it, that must be why the CA kept on asking me if I was touching the Sync...! Number 1, the FD wasn't even up - no need to Sync...and Number 2, it kicked off repeatedly without my right hand even on the Yoke.

Send him back to training :p

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Originally Posted by saab2000 (Post 295255)

So the other day I'm flying out of PHL to ALB with First Officer Groovinaviator and he's at the stick and right after "gear up" we get the STAB TRIM and MACH TRIM master caution messages. No biggie. I reach down and push those bad boys back in and about a second later the same DING comes over my headset. Try it again and again, "DING". Well, by now I am getting irate because I have to call Philly Departure and try to read the QRH and make sure that he's flying the airplane OK, which he is.

I tell them we'll climb to 5000 feet (as cleared) and we'll maintain heading and I'll call them back when I get a chance, we have a trim problem.

They were cool about it and gave us vectors and we landing on 27L in PHL with about 800 fire trucks and cops and their families out for the excitement and they all followed us back to the terminal. Or so it seemed.

It was pretty late and of course the company was able to rustle up another airplane for us to complete the flight. Can you say, "Seven legs".

Anway, Groovinaviator is a stud. Flew the airplane perfectly and we came around and landed Flaps 20 (QRH procedure). Smoothest landing of the whole trip. And the airplane was out of trim the whole time.

The man is a right wing nutjob, but he can sit right seat for me any day he can put up with me!

Good job young man! Keep working on your twin time and maybe one day you can grow up and be a CRJ captain..... :D

Anyway, I guess anything that doesn't kill you makes you stronger. It was a learning experience and worked out just like it should have. Cool. What wasn't cool was that when we finally got to ALB we had been on duty about 14-15 hours. That's not cool.

Glad that everyone is safe:o

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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 295449)

ghilis you are absolutely right! I should have declared an emergency for not having the FD up :eek:!!

What on earth was I thinking, actually flying an airplane. :rolleyes: That is way too dangerous. I'll remember for next time. Thanks for looking out for me.

Nice to see someone who actually likes flying a plane rather than programming it.

That said, one should be sure he/she is choosing to handfly (or anything else) because it is the Prudent thing to do. As I was not there, I would NEVER second guess the decisions you or any other pilot makes who lands the plane safely (something too many folks on this forum tend to do).

Safe, Prudent, and Legal..... yep, we're good to go.

On a different note....
There were several comments about the aircrafts giving "goofy" warnings under very specific situations. Everybody flying highly automated aircraft should remember that the more automated a plane is, the more subtle (and often confusing) embeded glitches can be. When one loses faith in George or the computer, time to be an ol' fashened flyer.