If you want DAY, you can almost be guaranteed DAY as an FO.

I start training on March 3rd and am looking to get Dayton as it is drivable for me:). I was told at interview that it was very junior! Well they said that all bases were Junior...But who knows it was at the interview!

Okay resubmitted my resume and got invited for the 19th of Feb interview. Anyone else going?

Tends to happen when a city is a dump and no one else wants to be here. At least its cheap to live here.

Don't forget the endless supply of 50 year old moms wanting to be Flight Attendents. Dayton has it all!

When did you interview?

On Wed the 30th...I heard back on Mon the 4th form Lisa. Why were you there last week?

On the 5th.

Cool...hope you get the call back!

My entire class (1-7), and the class before us (12-3) got Dayton. Chances are VERY good for you!

I hope so...I suppose the good thing is that everyone seems to hate it there and bids out elsewhere!

BigFellor - what do you think of the Dispatcher position with PSA? Are they willing to hire on people part time in Dayton (where I live). Thanks.

PSA Health Insurance
 

Does anybody know what the cost of health insurance is for a first year flight crewmember? The applicant packages states that the company pays for most of the cost.

I like dispatching, its temporary for me, as I want to be flying, but I really like what I do. As far as the part time thing goes, I dont know, I kind of doubt it though. Shoot me an email and we can chat more about things.

There is plan A and B at PSA. A being the more expensive.
I pay $66 each paycheck. We get 2 paychecks a month.
That includes my spouse. And overall it is a good plan.

38 Multi.....8 Multi....

You guys don't belong in a Seminole , let alone an automated RJ.

Good thing you're not going to fly a turboprop- you would probably kill everyone onboard.

Those 190 hour guys at Mesaba, with enough time to get a multi-engine rating at UND don't seem to phase you? Oh yeah, they are all going into the -900.

I'm pretty sure we have the same options in plans. I have Plan B and it costs me $27.23 per paycheck, every two weeks. The wife has her own insurance from work.

Saw on airjobsdaily.com that PSA posted a job opening yesterday for pilots. I thought they were furloughing? Does anybody know anything about this? Were the announced furloughee's actually shown the door?

this is what i got from the hr lady......about the post for FO position.



We are not hiring at this time. We are unsure where that website got their information since we have never placed an ad there. I apologize for the misunderstanding.


Employee Relations Specialist
PSA Airlines, Inc.

Idiot... I came on with 900 tt and 8 hours multi. Was told I did very nicely in the sim and was ready to be signed off well before minimum IOE time. Never killed anyone, never blew on any tires on landing, never froze up on a go around and never once felt overwhelmed. I think your just a bit mad that perhaps you never had the opportunity to fly something like an RJ with low time. Sorry for the rant but people with attitudes like this really rub me the wrong way.

Personal Foul, roughing the poster, 15 yard penatly.....FIRST DOWN!!!

I have to agree with DMEarc. While it is no doubt impressive that you were so successful in the simulator, that does not diminish the reality that you lack multi-engine experience -- much less multi-engine experience in high performance turbojet aircraft.

The ability to succeed in training is one thing -- the experience required to be a valuable and participating crewmember are quite another. The unfortunate reality is that by hiring such low time pilots the industry is requiring Captains to be much more than simply mentors -- but in many cases we are requiring them to be flight instructors.

Part 121 operations with paying passengers is no time for "dual given".

Sorry.

Name calling. nice and professional.

I'm just amused by ZapBrannigan's avatar. Dr.Horrible was a great 40 minute show. everyone should forget about name calling and go watch it.

"The World Is A Mess... and I just need to RULE it." - Dr. Horrible
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Hey I will admit that the 38 multi I had was low.

I respect your position but completely disagree. First Officers should always be considered to be Captains in training. And a good captain will always be willing to help an F/O, regardless of experience level, improve his or her skill set in preparation for upgrade. Though the amount is limited, that is why ATP rated pilots that lack a CFI cert. may legally log dual given. Captains are flight instructors. And a captain that feels burdened by taking on this attitude should probably be flying single-pilot somewhere. That being said, I will comment that a captain should feel like he or she could leave the cockpit if necessary for the walk of shame or some other extreme reason and feel the F/O is competent to handle anything that arises. And that some lower time pilots just don't have the natural ability to handle life in a 121 cockpit under at least a thousand hours of experience despite passing training. But there are exceptions as some low timers have proven themselves to be damn good in an airline setting. I can tell you that high time pilots do not automatically equate to skilled and competent. Some of our most experienced captains at my regional are the least qualified to be in the cockpit due to the shear amount of longevity generated complacency and over confidence.

I appreciate your thoughtful and respectful answer but my opinion has not been swayed. While a Captain should, indeed, be a MENTOR -- he or she should NOT have to be a "flight instructor".

There is a big difference. I stand by my assertion that part 121 with paying passengers is no place for flight instruction. (IOE being the one notable exception).

I think we agree in principle actually but that has been overshadowed by semantics. Would you not agree that that appropriate position for a Captain to be willing to accept should be about halfway between Flight instructor and simple mentor? Flight instructor being "right rudder, right rudder, right rudder", mentor being "I wouldn't bid for that line if I were you.."

What up juice

Aight, So maybe I was just a little bit ticked when I read the post and probably shouldnt have done any name calling. The idea that low time pilots dont even belong in a Seneca much less an RJ is complete garbage. So tell me where is a low time pilot supposed to get his twin time if they dont even belong in a seneca???? I guess what DMEarc wants is for people who arent as high and mighty as himself to get there multi engine time in an RC plane since according to him someone with 38 hours of multi doesnt even belong in a seneca. I know plenty of good pilots who are low time and I know plenty of higher time pilots who arent worth a crap. You cannot judge ANYONE's abilities solely by their flight time. As far as the Captain being an instructor, I dont think they should be up there teaching people how to fly completely but obviously whether you had 10,000 hours or 40 hours and were brand new to an airplane your going to need some pointers from time to time if the person sitting next to you has a couple thousand hours in type. Im not saying that every single person with low time out there flying RJ's belongs there but I am saying you cannot stereotype low time pilots in RJs as "dont know what theyre doing and need the captains help to fly the plane all the time."

I wonder how many PSA pilots who are on furlough went to fly for another airline? Mesaba is giving preferential hiring to furloughed pilots. I have also heard that recalls arent going to happen untill 2009 and new hire classes wont happen untill the spring. Hope I am wrong but...

<grin> Yes, I would agree with that. I see your point but submit the following:

If the Captain has to say, "right rudder right rudder right rudder" -- then the F/O has no business being in the airplane.

Here is my acid test for pilots. If you can't put the airplane on the centerline and in the touchdown zone EVERY single time -- then you probably lack the experience to be sitting in the seat.

I am basing this assertion on 13 years of flying professionally for a handful of 121 carriers -- Those pilots who challenge themselves to land on the centerline and in the touchdown zone generally handle the rest of their job with equal professionalism and attention to detail.

Those that don't... might need a little more dual. ;)

What up Ralph

The above statement makes the point for me. It does not matter if you are Chuck Yeager. We could teach a MONKEY to fly the airplane beautifully -- but the monkey will always lack the ability to participate in the inflight decision-making process. It's really not about how well you fly the airplane at the end of the day. It is about whether or not you have the experience to contribute on the cockpit and help the PIC to make the decisions he or she has to make on a day-to-day basis -- or if you're simply warming a seat as a glorified passenger with a yoke in your lap.

When it comes to flying skills, as i've mentioned, i'm happy if you just put it on the centerline. When it comes to being an active and participatory member of the cockpit crew whome I can rely on ... i'm going to need you to have a little experience in your bag of tricks.

That being said, I have no doubt that you would be a well qualified Seneca MEI and, once you get about 1200 TT, perhaps even a Seneca single-pilot night freight pilot. :)

Just not quite experienced enough for me to feel comfortable paying US Airways $800 to put my wife and child in the back of your airplane.

If only all captains felt that way . Unfortunately most leave the F/O completely out of the in flight decision making process regardless of the F/O's experience level. I can recall few times when my c/a actually asked for my input on a critical decision.

I was a copilot for 11 years. That might have had some impact on why I hold the first officers with whom I fly in such high esteem

This is all very familiar.

No, there is a difference between a "mentor" and an "instructor." Word-for-word, I have to side with Zap.

The CA is leader, and part of being a leader is mentoring. In some professions that can include providing instruction. This is not one of them. The FO is a CA in training in that he/she is gaining experience and insight by crewing the flights. One thing I really liked at my first 121 job was that the INDOC/AC training was very detailed, and we had CA upgrades in the same class. We were all exposed to the same material and took the same tests. How else can an FO be a check for the CA if not trained on the same material? The training for my second one was not nearly as detailed, and at the end, I felt I knew a fraction of what I needed. FYI: "I didn't know" doesn't fly with the FAA. So my point is this: if the FO is trained properly, what instruction is necessary?

Back in the day, there were 2000TT CFIs with 500ME who were jumping for joy when they got hired to be the FO/FA of a 1900. They brought a several hundred hours of having student scare the @#$% outta them. There is no substitute for experience.

The RJs can fly with this level of experience because of the automation. I think NASA proved that a chimp can fly as long as everything is normal. In the box, the people who grew up on Nintendo can run all the V1 cuts or engine fire drills you want, but they still get to come off motion for a break. In a real emergency, the CA needs a fully participating crew to address the situation because there are 50+ lives on the line.

Judgement/ADM comes from flying, folks. There is no substitute.

I agree 100%.