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Old 01-23-2008 | 06:41 PM
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my best buddy was hired at 220/25... breezed through training and completed IOE in a shade under 30 hours i believe. his IOE captain told him he was a natural... so for anyone to say low time guys are not ready or unsafe is a joke... bumping around the desert in a 152 building hours doesnt make one any better at flying... and if at 1000TT you still feel like youre not ready for a CRJ, than youre probably just not that good.

the sooner the crop dusters and traffic watchers get over their jealousy of guys that made it to a jet without having to drive a cessna around for 3 years the happier we'll all be. ya there's some low time guys out there that have no business being airline pilots and the majority of them if lucky enough to get hired wash out rather quickly; but im tired of hearing how dangerous and irresponsible it is... some of us might actually have talent.
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Old 01-23-2008 | 06:53 PM
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I like it, tzadik...
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Old 01-23-2008 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by tzadik
my best buddy was hired at 220/25... breezed through training and completed IOE in a shade under 30 hours i believe. his IOE captain told him he was a natural... so for anyone to say low time guys are not ready or unsafe is a joke... bumping around the desert in a 152 building hours doesnt make one any better at flying... and if at 1000TT you still feel like youre not ready for a CRJ, than youre probably just not that good.

the sooner the crop dusters and traffic watchers get over their jealousy of guys that made it to a jet without having to drive a cessna around for 3 years the happier we'll all be. ya there's some low time guys out there that have no business being airline pilots and the majority of them if lucky enough to get hired wash out rather quickly; but im tired of hearing how dangerous and irresponsible it is... some of us might actually have talent.
You're missing the point. I don't think many here will argue there are plenty of low time guys who are a natural stick and can get through training/sim. It's what happens when things become non-standard/emergengy procedures... how you will act when **** hits the fan. That ability can only be gained by experience. I had no emergencies to speak of under 250 hours, but when I was hired by a regional with 900/200, I had dealt with gear problems, an engine failure, various electrical problems, ect.

Also, how did your buddy get hired by anyone without commercial mins?
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Old 01-23-2008 | 07:06 PM
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You're missing the point. I don't think many here will argue there are plenty of low time guys who are a natural stick and can get through training/sim. It's what happens when things become non-standard/emergengy procedures... how you will act when **** hits the fan. That ability can only be gained by experience.

Also, how did your buddy get hired by anyone without commercial mins?
So how do you explain the 10K hour veteran Pilot who "freezes..." and the hot-shot newbie who takes control of the situation? It happens, to pretend that it doesn't is ignorant. You're either born with it or you're not. Experience helps, but it is not the end-all, be-all that some claim it to be...
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Old 01-23-2008 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by wi_pilot
You're missing the point. I don't think many here will argue there are plenty of low time guys who are a natural stick and can get through training/sim. It's what happens when things become non-standard/emergengy procedures... how you will act when **** hits the fan. That ability can only be gained by experience.

Also, how did your buddy get hired by anyone without commercial mins?
better that experience be gained sitting next to a high time captain rather than infront of a banner pinging down the beachfront.

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Old 01-23-2008 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by tzadik
better that experience be gained sitting next to a high time captain rather than infront of a banner pinging down the beachfront.

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Yep...Quality over Quantity
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Old 01-23-2008 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
So how do you explain the 10K hour veteran Pilot who "freezes..." and the hot-shot newbie who takes control of the situation? It happens, to pretend that it doesn't is ignorant. You're either born with it or you're not. Experience helps, but it is not the end-all, be-all that some claim it to be...
I'm not about to argue that it doesn't happen, but I'd say that scenario is far more the exception than the norm.
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Old 01-23-2008 | 07:41 PM
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Hazardous Attitude....Machoism


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Old 01-23-2008 | 07:46 PM
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"So how do you explain the 10K hour veteran Pilot who "freezes..." and the hot-shot newbie who takes control of the situation?"

That's laughable. Dream on....

Not saying it doesn't happen, but my money is on the reverse happening 90% of the time.
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Old 01-23-2008 | 07:59 PM
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What are these "superb" pilots born with. I have met some very good stick and rudder pilots but I never have met one that knew how to handle all different emergency situations.

This idea that some how we have been blessed with this innate nature to handle every catastrophic problem is disturbing.

After reading through all 8 of these pages I have seen every hazardous attitude that we are suppossed to guard against. What ever happened to the idea that everyday is a learning experience. When you think that you have arrived...whether in the left/right seat of a shiny tube or a single pilot in alaskan cargo fly by night operation. If you ever allow yourself to slip into this mindset, you are just asking for problems to occur.
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