agreed, im just tired of the goblers around here *****in and moanin about how those of us that didnt shadow I-95 at rush hour are less qualified... smart pilots do take it one day at a time and learn from every experience and everyonce in a while get humbled by a mistake.... i just fail to see the connection between increased C152 hours and ones ability to better handle an IDG disconnect.

 

I tried applying with Pinnacle. I have 520TT, 125ME of which 100 is ME Turbine. And I have a 4 year Bachelor degree in Aviation. Turbine time is Part 135 under UPS Contract. She started the phone interview, the 1st question was, "What is your TT and ME time". I said "520TT and 125ME". She responded with. "We're looking for 1000TT and 100ME. Maybe contact us again when you reach those times". After the phone call I was thinking, why did you even call me, my flight times on in the application I made. Don't get it.

 

i'm with skycaptain on this one. I've met, flown with, and trained guys who have more "natural" stick and rudder ability than others, myself included. I've always considered myself to be a competent aviator, intelligent, and pretty poised with thinking myself through a situation, and in the other side of my mind, i think "You're not bad, but you're not the best stick in the world". I think it's only natural to wonder if a person is "ready" for the 121 world, and it's good to have the question, shows that you're doing some self evaluation, looking in the site and getting feedback from others (especially those already involved in the industry you're intending on joining) also shows some good judgment.

Do i think that every pilot out there with 220/25 me is going to rock it out in the jet? NO, do i even think that the vast majority of pilots out there with that experience level are ready for the jet? NO....only reason i say that is when i was instructing individuals with 220hrs, they were having a hard enough time getting a lazy eight done to standards. Now i know that flying a CRJ/ERJ isn't the same as doing commercial maneuvers, but the point would be if you can't show mastery of control of the skychicken, what makes you think you'll be able to show mastery of control in the jet...

On a different note, the only time having the "low time pilot" in the right seat of the RJ is really going to make a rather large difference is when the situation is an emergency or "abnormal" and the captain is either mediocre, unsafe, or incompetent, by the time the LTP has enough time to feel comfortable in the airplane, he'll most likely be just as safe as the guy with 1500-2000 TT. Another thought, if you're in an emergency situation, with a lackluster captain, would you rather have a guy next to him who's flown single pilot night cargo for 3 years, or a pilot factory graduate? Whether it'd actually make a difference or not, eh, u can choose.

 

good post flynavyj, i agree with almost all of it...

whos more qualified to be in the right seat though... a pilot factory graduate with 300TT, crm and adavanced jet training dealing with V1 cuts, engine fires, and rapid decomps or a 600TT cessna 206 night time box flyer. dont get me wrong there's nothing bad about box hauling across kansas, but for some to make these blanket statements that some guy with 391TT is fooling himself if he thinks he might be ready for 121 is flat out ridiculous.

and yes, we lower time guys do work at whats commenly reffered to as "less than desirable regionals"... i understand the game and i made the descision to take a job now and build time in a jet rather than teaching steep turns and slow flight to get to a place that pays $2 more an hour and might only kick me in the groin once every other week.

 

There is truth in the pilot mills turning out airline pilots. From day one they are training to be an airline pilot. This model can and has been debateable.
but..(I hate to admit this) if you do have the cash and want to get left seat in a SNJ than the pilot mill is definetly the quickest and you probably will be able to fly "safe" in a 121 operation.

However, you probably didn't get all four fundamentals of learning.
Hint - RUAC

 

I was a crop duster for a long time.I still do it on a part time/fill in basis.I dont know if your comment was directed at me,but I will assure you that I am not jealous of a low time regional pilot.I do have lots of time,and no,it probably doesnt amount to much as far as flying a Regional jet,but i have seen just about anything,emergency wise,that you can see in the ag environment.In other words,I have big time experience,in my chosen field.No,I have no experience in 121,So my question to you is ,Why would i be jealous of a RJ pilot.I do not understand why you would group me into this thread. I really dont give a ****.I just read these threads for the entertainment.

 

DO they or do they not teach you guys how to deal with the emergency's that your aircraft could experience when you are in training. I sure know that I did alot of emergency checklists and procedures in that sim before I was ever given a type. You learn how to deal with emergency situations in the sim on your Particular a/c that you will be flying-I myself would rather have a so called Pilot Mill guy that was put through difficult training and training that is based on what we are actually going to be doing in this buisness-fly in the instrument environment than a person who has been buzzing around in class E airspace doing lazy eights.

Bottom line is, the guys that have been CFI's and had to do thousands of hrs of that to finally get a jet job are never going to be happy for a guy who can go out and get a job in a jet almost right out of school-they are always going to come at them with the I have more experience than you do line of BS-

Pilots need quality time and not quanity!!!!!

 

a) i wasnt lumping you into anything as ive never seen your post or name before

b) i too dont give a , if youre happy doing what your doing thats awesome, i chose not to spend my time wondering why someone is or isnt content... im commenting on the guys that use similar jobs to yours for the purpose of getting to a jet then tell me and my pilot mill buddies (when we've been studying epc's, cfm's, checklists, regs, and gom's from day 1) that we're not welcome in the 121 world.

 

I hear that pilot mill guys can fly the heck out of the sim!

 

Pinnacle's HR department (the whole airline's management really) is what we call in the business a CLUSTERBUCK! Don't take it personally. I think I would have laughed if she said that to me and asked her if she had any idea what the current hiring environment was like. But no, good on her trying to think Pinnacle can still attract the 1000/100 crowd.