Oh I'm sure we'll have one soon enough regardless how management treats us, it can be as little as 16 months away. And when and if they do negotiate that contract they start from scratch. So whatever nasty terrible thing you think they'll do to us, wouldn't matter at that point. And you're very right, a union certainly doesn't fix everything.... I think that's the point 65% of our pilot group has been saying. I'm not a big pro or anti union guy either way, but I do like having the legal protection they (ALPA) would bring. However, you are very right, on a financial outlook, I do not believe bringing in a union would improve things all that much.
My original point is the same, SkyWest will continue to treat us well because they want to keep out a union. It's also smart business, I believe it was Mr. Southwest that originally said, take care of the employees they take care of customers, they take care of the shareholders.

 

So, you're saying a union won't work at SkyWest. Yah, we came up with that too, on 3 occasions over 8 years. Thanks.

 

Yes that's what I'm saying. Because Success=Union+Strong Pilot Group. Union+Weak pilot group=Complainers.

No matter what rebuttal you guys are thinking about. I've seen your proposed pay raise, if you call it that. Nuff said.

 

Nuff said huh..... fyi I turned down this pay package..... but between the two of us, I make 36.98 per hour, there aren't many second year F/O's out there that can that.
Our pay isn't all that bad, quit acting like we're bottom feeders.
Also our duty rigs allow us to turn in a large amount of soft time. I agree the pay package is poor, but we aren't that bad to start with.
Now come down out of you tower, worry about CHQ, and stop telling us at SkyWest what we should do. It's getting old. SkyWest is a very strong pilot group.
One more thing, SkyWest pilots have thusfar found success without the union for 35 years, your equation is faulty.

For everyone else out there, this doesn't mean I'm anti union at all.

 

Bro.........come on, Toilet Duck knows all, hes like that clown Boyd whatever he say must be true

 

Perhaps you don't understand that reelbigchair was furloughed, hired by a second airline, and well on his way to second-year pay by the time you'd started annoying crewmembers.

 

We're "divided," as you say, because for the most part we are very happy (and I use divided as a very loose term). It's very easy to have a completely unified Pilot group...just ask the folks at PNCL how happy they are with their mgmt.

It doesn't take a rocket-scientist to know that employees stick together and unify when they're getting crapped on. When everybody is happy, they're all off doing their own thing, man...

I agree that we are not as unified as we could be. But SkyWest can be just as unified as the next Pilot group.

 

"WE" nothing! You are a super junior FO chief.....dont try to sound like you've been around for awhile....you were here for one vote and that's it. Just because you are part of SAPA or whatever it is you guys call that thing doesn't mean anything. Get a couple of years experience under your belt and then you can be qualified to say the comments posted above

 

XJT's M & A clause don't allow the transfer of aircraft, orders, or options unless the operations are merged.

So you admit that Skywest has a financial interest in keeping the union out. Why would that be? Maybe because they would be forced to actually negotiate in good faith against an entity that has real leverage?

And SWA employees are unionized to boot.

A real union would work better than SAPA.

Yeah, but with the overwhelming success of Skywest for a WHOLE 35 YEARS means that they should share just a little bit more.