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ChickenFlight 01-30-2008 06:49 AM

getting around in chicago isn't that tough but the train is easy and it runs to ORD for $2. I use it all the time to get to the crashpad or downtown when I'm bored on reserve. You can do reserve from anywhere on the blue line north of downtown. Insurance very expensive and last time I looked at a gas station in my crashpad area (bucktown) it was over $3.30/gal. It takes me about an hour to get to the airport but it would take just as long in a car...might as well let someone else drive.

As to the other thing, growth is pretty stagnant at Eagle. I personally think that the divestment will be enough to get some of the mid sr. captains out the door and on to something else but who knows. Work rules are good and its worth it as a foot in the industry's door. Nothing says you have to stick around till the upgrade

bgmann 01-30-2008 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by ChickenFlight (Post 310309)
getting around in chicago isn't that tough but the train is easy and it runs to ORD for $2. I use it all the time to get to the crashpad or downtown when I'm bored on reserve. You can do reserve from anywhere on the blue line north of downtown. Insurance very expensive and last time I looked at a gas station in my crashpad area (bucktown) it was over $3.30/gal. It takes me about an hour to get to the airport but it would take just as long in a car...might as well let someone else drive.

As to the other thing, growth is pretty stagnant at Eagle. I personally think that the divestment will be enough to get some of the mid sr. captains out the door and on to something else but who knows. Work rules are good and its worth it as a foot in the industry's door. Nothing says you have to stick around till the upgrade

...exactly!

BoilerWings 01-30-2008 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by ChickenFlight (Post 310309)
getting around in chicago isn't that tough but the train is easy and it runs to ORD for $2. I use it all the time to get to the crashpad or downtown when I'm bored on reserve. You can do reserve from anywhere on the blue line north of downtown. Insurance very expensive and last time I looked at a gas station in my crashpad area (bucktown) it was over $3.30/gal. It takes me about an hour to get to the airport but it would take just as long in a car...might as well let someone else drive.

As to the other thing, growth is pretty stagnant at Eagle. I personally think that the divestment will be enough to get some of the mid sr. captains out the door and on to something else but who knows. Work rules are good and its worth it as a foot in the industry's door. Nothing says you have to stick around till the upgrade

I guess I'm wondering what happened at Eagle to cause such a large shortage of pilots. It seems like 2 years ago (or even a year ago) mins were 1000/100. And how they're 400/50. If they had no problem a year ago, what changed to cause such a great need? Have that many people left Eagle to make a lateral move? In the past, what has been the primary driver of hiring has been growth, with no growth, why the shortage?

UnlimitedAkro 01-30-2008 02:34 PM

what happened it everyone else lowered mins. Eagle wasnt getting enough people to stay with the long upgrade. They needed to be more competitive.

cfii2007 01-30-2008 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by UnlimitedAkro (Post 310657)
what happened it everyone else lowered mins. Eagle wasnt getting enough people to stay with the long upgrade. They needed to be more competitive.

And lowering mins was a better alternative to increasing starting pay.........

AirWillie 01-30-2008 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by cfii2007 (Post 310737)
And lowering mins was a better alternative to increasing starting pay.........

Why would they raise the pay when they can get plenty of fresh meat out there from colleges and flight schools with no experience who won't ask questions, guaranteed show for class date and best of all they'll have a service life of multiple years because of the low flight time. I went to the interview because I'm looking to move on from my airline(not AW, tprop ops) and was shocked to find that I was the only guy with actual airline experience and when I talked to the sim instructor he basically said I was the only guy he'd seen in the last couple of interviews with any experience. Made me seem stupid for being there.

coldpilot 01-30-2008 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by AirWillie (Post 310852)
Why would they raise the pay when they can get plenty of fresh meat out there from colleges and flight schools with no experience who won't ask questions, guaranteed show for class date and best of all they'll have a service life of multiple years because of the low flight time. I went to the interview because I'm looking to move on from my airline(not AW, tprop ops) and was shocked to find that I was the only guy with actual airline experience and when I talked to the sim instructor he basically said I was the only guy he'd seen in the last couple of interviews with any experience. Made me seem stupid for being there.

Agreed. I had an interview a couple weeks ago. I was the only person with 121 experience. Many others had less than 400/50 and went to ATP.

AirWillie 01-30-2008 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by coldpilot (Post 310864)
Agreed. I had an interview a couple weeks ago. I was the only person with 121 experience. Many others had less than 400/50 and went to ATP.

Yea it also made me think that I wouldn't want to be in a class with a bunch of 300 hour pilots.

IQuitEagle 01-31-2008 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerWings (Post 310656)
I guess I'm wondering what happened at Eagle to cause such a large shortage of pilots. It seems like 2 years ago (or even a year ago) mins were 1000/100. And how they're 400/50. If they had no problem a year ago, what changed to cause such a great need? Have that many people left Eagle to make a lateral move? In the past, what has been the primary driver of hiring has been growth, with no growth, why the shortage?

It's not just Eagle. As someone else said, Eagle lowered mins to be competitive with other regionals. Staffing had been tight for QUITE some time, but of course management didn't see it that way; and when it's tight for a long time, and then people start leaving...well, of course doesn't get better.

Some people left for the majors, a lot of flowbacks were recalled, etc. But now that growth is stagnant as there are no new aircraft orders, and most flowbacks are gone, upgrade time will not come down much from what it is, so more FO's are now making "lateral" moves, thereby exacerbating the problem with staffing.

PIPErdrvr 01-31-2008 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by ChickenFlight (Post 310309)
getting around in chicago isn't that tough but the train is easy and it runs to ORD for $2. I use it all the time to get to the crashpad or downtown when I'm bored on reserve. You can do reserve from anywhere on the blue line north of downtown. Insurance very expensive and last time I looked at a gas station in my crashpad area (bucktown) it was over $3.30/gal. It takes me about an hour to get to the airport but it would take just as long in a car...might as well let someone else drive.

As to the other thing, growth is pretty stagnant at Eagle. I personally think that the divestment will be enough to get some of the mid sr. captains out the door and on to something else but who knows. Work rules are good and its worth it as a foot in the industry's door. Nothing says you have to stick around till the upgrade

What's the blue line?


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