Not sure if it is official, but, 9E (unofficially) won the scope lawsuit and has the rights to fly the Q400 a/c that were awarded to Colgan. Since they voted against ALPA, I think they may get stapled to the bottom of the 9E???
It will be intersting since 9E can't even staff the aircraft they already have!!!

 

Very interesting if they were to merge the list and allow the PCL pilots to fly the Q. Seeing how I am already flying it I wonder where I would fall into that list or how I would be affected. I doubt I would be canned since i am already trained and flying but you never know. Would certainly make QOL issues if they could maintain their seniority, come to the Q and push me further and further down the list.

 

A staple job won't happen per se, but pcl pilots would have the right to fly the q400 once they establish a rate for it. bush passed new legislation last year in regards to mergers.

Absent any contractual protections, airline employees will have A-M as a default protection of their seniority.

ALPA-ALPA merger, ALPA policy.

ALPA-non ALPA, A-M policy

A-M, has as its goal a fair and reasonable integration. Like ALPA policy it doesn't favor any particular integration methodolgy and absent a negotiated agreement A-M utilizes binding arbitration to settle disputes.

above taken from another poster who explains it much better than I can!

 

What have YOU done to make this industry better other then pay dues?

 

Is this sort of comment really necessary? If the ALPA vote doesn't pass the next time at Colgan, ever think it could be at least in part due to the attitude of you and people like you? Like I said before, your attitude will make me feel like I'm voting for the lesser of two evils. You don't make me excited about the idea of joining ALPA.

 

easy bro. i don't hate the colgan guys. its not their fault they were bought by our management group, given forced rates, and told to fly planes or lose your job. i do wish that they would have voted in alpa because this would be a lot easier to deal with had they done it. i have heard of several ways of merging the list. none of which had the colgan guys stapled to the bottom of ours. we will have to wait to here what the mec says on the call tonight. let me show you what our scope clause says, and tell me if you think the arbitrator could have ruled any other way... (remember this is rumor till its officially posted).



[LEFT]B. SCOPE

1. Except as provided in subsections B.2. and B.3., below, all present and future flying of any form performed by or for the Company will be performed by pilots on the Pilots’ System Seniority List in accordance with the terms and conditions of the Agreement. The phrase “present and future flying of any form performed by or for the Company” includes without limitation all such flying (1) on the Company’s aircraft (whether leased or owned), or (2) under the Company’s operational control, including wet leases and contracting for other carriers or entities (government, military or commercial), but does not include dry leases to other carrier or entities.

2. Notwithstanding subsection B.1., above, the Company may assign, wet
lease or contract out present or future flying for a period of nine (9)
months during the term of this Agreement if (1) such conduct is necessary
to accomplish the needs of service of the Company, and (2) the Company
does not have sufficient aircraft and pilots to perform such flying. The
Company will notify the MEC Chairman prior to executing the
assignment, subcontracting or wet lease agreement. No pilot will be
furloughed during any assignment, subcontracting or wet leasing.

3. Notwithstanding subsection B.1., above, the Company may (1) use nonseniority list pilots in connection with aircraft transactions and (2) use
manufacturer’s pilots to currently qualify the initial cadre of instructors
and check airmen on a new aircraft type. Initial cadre means a sufficient
number of instructors and check airmen to train and qualify pilots for the
arriving fleet.


4. The Company will not create or control another airline for the purpose of transferring the assets of the Company to such airline and avoiding its obligations to the pilots of the Company under this Agreement.

 

if the rumint is true, colgan wont have to worry about a union drive this summer. And the pcl pilots will have to accept a rate for the q400 before anyone flies it.

 

Thank you to the person who reported the flamebait post. It was inappropriate and was deleted with an infraction given. This is how it's supposed to work, folks. The mods can't be everywhere at once.

We need your help to keep this forum the kind of place we all want it to be.

 

Is that what the PCL pilots want? If colgan pilot group was absorbed into the pcl group i think it would be a good thing for all parties and the industry. a larger pilot group = a bigger voice, more leverage, and more job security. What if management just took the q400 and gave them to PCL to be flown by PCL seniority lists. They wouldnt have to merge the lists or would they? I was under the impression PCL was short staffed as it was....

 

Interesting. But I wonder if the difference will be drawn between Pinnacle Airlines, Inc., and Pinnacle Airlines Corp. The Corp. being the mother company, with subsidiaries Inc. and Colgan.

As far as operational control, that is tricky. At Eagle we wrestled with that one regarding the Connection carriers, and in particular the 145s that were transfered over there, but to no avail.

In regards to the last point:

"The Company will not create or control another airline for the purpose of transferring the assets of the Company to such airline and avoiding its obligations to the pilots of the Company under this Agreement."

Does it apply when the Q400 was never actually flown by or part of Pinnacle Airlines Inc.? Not sure this constitutes a "transferrance" of aircraft between holdings.

I hope you guys at Pinnacle win, because it would be good overall. I just wonder how much leg the union really has to stand on in this matter. Hopefully you guys will succeed better than Eagle did!