Crew rest
02-10-2008, 06:43 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by down2mins
Way back on IOE, I remember having a CA who wanted to get out on time. He was one of those early morning guys who was up & ready to go. We took the original van. When we got to the airport, he goes out to the plane, and I follow (seeing as how I didn't know any better at the time). Meanwhile, the FA stays in ops and shows up at the plane 15 min later, pulls me aside and goes "I can't believe you guys touched the plane before XX:XX". Glad I know better now!! 
02-11-2008, 05:52 AM
#33
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There are a few simple solutions to the late hotel bus on a reduced rest overnight.
1. Call scheduling when the bus is 30 minutes late.
2. Request a late show in the morning for crew rest since you will not be in bed with enough time to get the rest needed to perform your schedule tomorrow.
3. If they balk at your request - STAND FIRM. Usually scheduling will back off if you hold your ground. If they threaten to transfer your call to your chief pilot - so be it. If anyone continues to push you to take the assignment or otherwise balk at your request then suggest they send another crew to fly your trip and request you crew be released for normal rest.
4. If all else fails and you fear that your job may be in danger, simply excuse yourself from the conversation and go to the hotel. When you wake up the next morning you should decide if you're fit for duty or fatigued. If you are fatigued, call scheduling and go back to bed. If you're fit for duty then go to work. Keep in mind, your endurance will be greatly reduced and you'll be less likely to complete a full day of regional flying. You may need to use the "F word" (Fatigued) later in the day.
Don't do this to spite your company but do what you can to get the job done. I am only suggesting that you not take uneccesary risks in doing so. Do Not Fly Fatigued!!!
1. Call scheduling when the bus is 30 minutes late.
2. Request a late show in the morning for crew rest since you will not be in bed with enough time to get the rest needed to perform your schedule tomorrow.
3. If they balk at your request - STAND FIRM. Usually scheduling will back off if you hold your ground. If they threaten to transfer your call to your chief pilot - so be it. If anyone continues to push you to take the assignment or otherwise balk at your request then suggest they send another crew to fly your trip and request you crew be released for normal rest.
4. If all else fails and you fear that your job may be in danger, simply excuse yourself from the conversation and go to the hotel. When you wake up the next morning you should decide if you're fit for duty or fatigued. If you are fatigued, call scheduling and go back to bed. If you're fit for duty then go to work. Keep in mind, your endurance will be greatly reduced and you'll be less likely to complete a full day of regional flying. You may need to use the "F word" (Fatigued) later in the day.
Don't do this to spite your company but do what you can to get the job done. I am only suggesting that you not take uneccesary risks in doing so. Do Not Fly Fatigued!!!
Last edited by bustinmins; 02-11-2008 at 10:01 AM.
02-11-2008, 06:38 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by Senior Skipper
I realize that posting on this forum won't change the FAR's, but I'd like to know why pilots have allowed themselves to be taken advantage of, with the obvious risks to flight safety?
Didn't get to the hotel until an hour after blocking in? No problem, just fly at 320 KIAS below 10,000 feet!
Recently, a hotel I overnight in quite often has been pretty lax in having cookies ready for us at check-in. I'm a fat fatty, so this is an important issue to me. I think that next time this happens, I'm going to tell my FA to "forget" about briefing the passengers on seatbelt usage.
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