nicholasblonde

It's probably a touchy subject since 9E/pncl is low-balling the arbitrator negotiations, saying they want to pay 900 FOs the same as 200 FOs, but I have a couple of friends just hired there, and I'm wondering where they send ATL 900 FOs for training? I've never heard of Pinnacle doing training anywhere other than MEM...but they said some new hires go on the 900.

I know XJ sends 900 new hires to DEN and Montreal for sims, just wondering what Pinnacle is doing? I was actually trying to figure out if they do crazy stuff like typing guys in the 200 sims to save money (since it's legal to do that, I think).

Also...do 900 FOs get Delta and NWA benefits? Or just Delta (for $50 )+ company NWA flights?

Spooled

YUL for sims. 900 FO's get Delta benefits only.

nicholasblonde

So they get Delta benefits (which are pretty substandard compared to the NWA benefits), and the same pay as a 200 FO??? That prob makes the 900 a junior aircraft.

Can Delta FOs bid for 200 Capt. slots, or are you stuck with the 900 if you're assigned the 900 in training???

Spooled

900 FO get the -200 rates until the arbitrator decides on rates. Should be by the end of this month. Pay is retro active.

If is my understanding that if you bid the 900 it is a two year seat lock. You cannot bid the -200 for two years. You cannot upgrade on to the 200 for two years. You could upgrade in the 900 if there is a vacancy.

premier159

"but I have a couple of friends just hired there"
FRIENDS DONT LET FRIENDS FLY 9E

higney85

And a great way to gain respect is to disrespect one of the only groups right now who is standing up to management. Many groups are coming up on amendable contracts and setting the precedent now that ALPA unions are sick and tired of being abused only helps the groups who are coming up on negotiations. Think "Big Picture" here...

wolf

See if you said "friends don't let friends fly 9E 900's" it might make more sense...

Bidding the 900 without proper pay rates is not cool in my book. However, the FOs who are being assigned the 900 straight out of initial are not to blame since they don't have a choice... The guys who chose to bid the 900 without a pay scale are a different matter...

nicholasblonde

I don't think I asked any questions about whether someone should work there or not...but since the subject has been raised--I think 9E will eventually get a decent contract, because they're unified and they have a union. It will probably get nastier before it gets better, but truthfully, in our short-sighted minds, 9E just happens to be the company that's in a fight right now...if we were on here when Mesaba was bankrupt and fighting for a contract, you'd be saying "friends don't let friends fly for Mesaba...or ASA...or whatever" I personally think some of the regionals that are en vogue today (RAH, etc.) will eventually have their fair share of disputes, because every management everywhere drags out their payscale as long as they can. Sure, 9E might have one of the most acrid management-labor relationships around, but at least the pilots are together.

nicholasblonde

Completely agreed...there is a reason the rollout was welcomed with picketing. Coupled with a tough commute (ATL) and probably longer upgrade and DAL benefits instead of NWA benefits, I would think no one bids it anyways, and that it's an assigned a/c.

GDLBEN33

ATL based employees and the Delta dedicated corporate employees will continue to be eligible for travel privileges with the NWA travel program. Employees that are not based in Atlanta or not dedicated to the Delta operation will not be eligible for the enhanced Delta travel privileges. Employees must spend a substantive amount of time supporting the Delta operation to be eligible for the enhanced Delta pass privileges. Regardless of which employee group you are in, the listing and ticketing process for traveling on Delta or Delta Connection flights (DCI) will be changing. Below is a chart that details the changes being implemented and the differences between the two groups. Explanations of the items in the chart are also described below.



Looks like 900 guys get both.