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Nevets 02-14-2008 12:12 PM
Originally Posted by fosters (Post 320353)
That's because management is the other party who signs the deal. If you don't look at it from their point of view you won't ever get a contract.
Did you even read my whole post? I understand management has a job to do to try to keep costs down. We all understand that. I said as much in my previous post. I know their point of view. But not having a NMB recognized union with the pilots point of view will NEVER allow the pilots to have a contract!

Originally Posted by fosters (Post 320353)
Absolutely. It's why pilots as a union need one unified contract across the board. If you're flying an RJ, you make union RJ wages. If you're flying an Airbus, you make union Airbus wages.

It won't ever happen but it is nice to look forward to :).
No argument there. But like I've said before, we live in reality and not fantasy island.


So, why shouldn't the pilots get more of the pie?

fosters 02-14-2008 12:34 PM
Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 320430)
So, why shouldn't the pilots get more of the pie?
The answer would depend on the Company's staffing levels, turnover, and qualified applicant pool. If all of those are reasonable I'd say there really *isn't* a reason to give the employees a raise from a management perspective.

Nevets 02-14-2008 12:50 PM
Originally Posted by fosters (Post 320440)
The answer would depend on the Company's staffing levels, turnover, and qualified applicant pool. If all of those are reasonable I'd say there really *isn't* a reason to give the employees a raise from a management perspective.
Can you step out of your management perspective?

ExperimentalAB 02-14-2008 12:52 PM
Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 320448)
Can you step out of your management perspective?
Can you step into managment's perspective?

fosters 02-14-2008 01:02 PM
Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 320448)
Can you step out of your management perspective?
No because they're the ones who give the raises.

Nevets 02-14-2008 01:04 PM
Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 320450)
Can you step into managment's perspective?
Did you read the whole thread. I have mentioned on more than one occasion that I understand that part of what management needs to do is to reduce costs. So to answer your question, yes I can and have.

Nevets 02-14-2008 01:04 PM
Originally Posted by fosters (Post 320457)
No because they're the ones who give the raises.
So you look at it only from one's point of view. And you chose management's.

fosters 02-14-2008 01:07 PM
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

(yes that was sarcasm)

waflyboy 02-14-2008 01:34 PM
Originally Posted by fosters (Post 320461)
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

(yes that was sarcasm)
Hell, seems like good advice to me.

Nevets 02-14-2008 01:36 PM
Originally Posted by fosters (Post 320461)
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

(yes that was sarcasm)
From what you have written, I don't believe you were being entirely sarcastic.


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