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Originally Posted by LifeNtheFstLne
(Post 324846)
Does no one monitor guard anymore? If they weren't sleeping (yeah right) the excuse for missing a handoff is invalid and could've been prevented. I don't know how they do things now, but back when I was at the regionals we were required to monitor guard or the local Airinc frequency on #2. Thing of the past?
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The captain was Junior Assigned to fly this from BNA:rolleyes:
I bet he got in the night before and was on reduced rest. Fortunately, former and current pilots are getting the media to look into scheduling. However, since there were no casualties, I doubt the FAA will take action against MAG management, just the pilots...a shame. :( Here is an anonymous email I received: ================================================== ======\ Two Go! Flights Now Under Scrutiny: KGMB9 News: http://kgmb9.com/main/content/view/4250/40/ 1st Incident at Go! Airlines now being covered by the national press: CBS National News: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n3854375.shtml · Please be sure to leave a comment & recommend this article at the top of the story. USA Today: http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...go-sleep_N.htm · Please be sure to leave a comment & recommend this article at the top of the story. ABC World News Tonight: http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Busin...ory?id=4320215 · Top right hand side of the page is the video · Please be sure to leave a comment & recommend this article at the top of the story. Also, investigative journalist Brian Ross of ABC World News Tonight is looking into Mesa’s scheduling practices and overall operations regarding safety. Any help/information you can provide would be very much appreciated: · http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3...arles%20Gibson Attn: Brian Ross Subj: Go! (Mesa) Airlines – Pilots Falling Asleep? This is the first time in a long time that we the pilot group have a real opportunity to force real change here on the property. We have the national media shining a very bright spotlight on Mesa, so if you believe that there are some real safety/scheduling issues here on the property take two minutes out of your day and send ABC News and Stacy Loe ([email protected] ) of KGMB an e-mail and forward this e-mail to other Mesa pilots and flight attendants. Don't forget to join the discussion and get the latest scoops at Mesa Hub: http://mesahub.com/mesahub/index.php?action=login All current and former Mesa employees are welcome. |
Kind of strange that Mesa is exempt from monitoring VHF Guard
All aircraft operating in U.S. airspace are required to maintain a listening watch on frequency 121.5.(FDC NOTAM 4/4386) |
Originally Posted by Slice
(Post 324909)
Usually the ARINC(SELCAL) or ops freq is in #2 for Mesa.
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
(Post 324888)
--25 min with lack of communication isn't dealing with something in a calm, collected fashion.
--An aircraft missing controller calls for almost a half hour IS uncommon which is why the FAA is looking into it. -- If it was radio communication failure then they should have followed AVEF and still landed with no issues. You don't go flying around for 25min without talking to anyone without squawking a code. --If there was an emergency that they were dealing with for that length of time then the FAA should already know about it and not be investigating to see if they were sleeping or not. The FAA said they are investigating them sleeping. The reporters didn't just jump out there and make the accusation. So any belief that these guys were sleeping is well founded. --Even if they forgot to switch frequencies or didn't hear ATC something should have popped into their mind when when looked out the window and saw the airport go by while still in cruise. Maybe they need acars to received messages when they aren't paying attention.:rolleyes: Looking at the pictures of their flight track I'd guess they had everything programmed in except for the approach and when it passed it's last fix, the airport, it went into HDG mode. Of course I haven't flown on the CRJ but it seems logical. |
Originally Posted by Window_Seat
(Post 325041)
Missing a handoff while flying over the airport you are supposed to land at... how bout you just dial up tower and get your clearance from FL210
I was saying that if they did have communication failure then they should have done AVEF (assigned, vectored, expected, filed) while squawking 7600 then flying the full procedure into the airport. These guys obviously had zero situational awareness or they should have known 70+miles back they should have started descending(hinting they were asleep). They didn't, they didnt realize they passed the airport which I'm sure would have been easily visible on the FMS not to mention they are passing an island in the Pacific. It's not like you're over west Texas where the next 100 miles look just like the 100 miles behind you so it's easy to get confused. Center would still have tried to contact them on their old freq. as well. |
Originally Posted by Slice
(Post 324909)
Usually the ARINC(SELCAL) or ops freq is in #2 for Mesa.
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Airline suspends pilots who overshot Hawaii airport
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...gpilots22.html Typical Mesa fashion, throwing their employees under the bus, two at a time. |
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