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Old 02-23-2008 | 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Seggy
Nevermind then! Must have had bad info.
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Old 02-23-2008 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by de727ups
"There are a lot of guys that went Colgan because they only had 300hrs and wanted to get their foot in a 121 carrier to one day fly those jets. SJSers"

Isn't it PCL that has the deal with JetU? That's just as bad from a SJS standpoint.
Maybe they have a thing with JetU, but every single person in a recent interview group at 1000+TT, with 3 former corporate pilots, a laid-off 121 guy, and a charter guy...all of whom had significant turbine SIC time. While there might be the occasional JetU person in there, it's predominantly high time street-captain types.
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Old 02-23-2008 | 08:37 AM
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When the scope ruling is announced, can someone please start a NEW thread. I don't want to read through 100's of posts of speculation.

Thank you.
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Old 02-23-2008 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
When the scope ruling is announced, can someone please start a NEW thread. I don't want to read through 100's of posts of speculation.

Thank you.

Good idea... speaking of the actual ruling- it was supposed to be in by yesterday afternoon... Friggin gov't!
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Old 02-23-2008 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by higney85
Good idea... speaking of the actual ruling- it was supposed to be in by yesterday afternoon... Friggin gov't!
talked to one of the union guys. the ruling is in, and they are preparing to give us all the information after the alpa lawyers and people go through it, will be out this coming week. the reason they have been so quiet is they don't want to get the arbitrator all p o 'd at us for saying stuff like, "yeah we won the ruling but he hasn't put out his final report yet so we have to wait for that, but yeah we won"... things like that make the arbitrator a little upset. its pretty much just playing it safe, waiting for the written ruling to come down, and then dissimenating the information.

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Old 02-23-2008 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Be Realistic
And what are the regionals for if it is not to use as a stepping stone to the majors? Who took a job with the regionals saying I'm never leaving here. Lets not have another hours debate.
I don't think anyone took the job saying "I'm never leaving here" but there's a reason people still dodge Freedom, Mesa, Colgan, TSA, GoJets, and so on. While none of us want to "never leave here" you still want to work at a place with respectable work rules and pay in the event something happens. What if all these mergers take place and many pilots are out getting furloughed? You want to be stuck at Mesa another 5yrs? Whatever your personal reason may be you're still being paid to fly a commercial airliner. It's a job. You build time while doing it but saying you're there just for time building means you might as well work at the one of the aforementioned places with no self respect.

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I also checked and even as a captain at RAH you still can't switch between aircraft once the two year seatlock is up unless moving to higher pay. So 145-> 170 but if they open a base in your home after you take the 170 tough cookies. Kinda sucks.
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Old 02-23-2008 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
I also checked and even as a captain at RAH you still can't switch between aircraft once the two year seatlock is up unless moving to higher pay. So 145-> 170 but if they open a base in your home after you take the 170 tough cookies. Kinda sucks.
I've always been under the impression that CAs could only move to higher-paying aircraft, but I recently heard of one guy who upgraded to the 145, transistioned to the 170, and came back to the 145 because he disliked the 170. There's language in the contract that says the company isn't required to allow this, but I couldn't find anything that specifically prohibits it. I don't know if the company allows this in certain situations, or if the story is bull and nobody is allowed to do it.
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Old 02-23-2008 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by POPA
Were you drunk when you posted this, or just feeling the effects of all those paint chips you ate as a child?
Chautauqua does not have domiciles in either DEN or ATL. If we did have bases at those airports, you could switch back and forth every other month if you wanted (assuming you didn't get locked out by senior people filling your vacancy).
Everybody flying on the Chautauqua certificate is flying the LOWEST-paying aircraft on property at RAH. We fly the tiny planes, so we get the tiny paychecks.
I think your tone is inappropriate seeing the jest of my posting is quite clear. Whichever one of your 15000, errrrrrrrrr 3, certificates flies for Frontier is obviously the one that I was talking about. I know that Shuttle America flies out of ATL and if Republic's the one that operates out of DEN and that's where you’re based but you live in ALT you're screwed, you can not move over to the SA side even though it’s the same a/c. Now if SA operates out of DEN then just change my example to whatever domicile Republic operates out of.

You’d think that anyone with any lick of common sense would be able to read between the lines, but then a poster like you comes along and hangs your short comings out for everyone to see. Next time check you arrogance at the door and get a clue that not everyone knows which a/c your company operates for which of your 6 carriers. For heavens sake you fly them on 3 different certificates for 6 different carriers.

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Old 02-23-2008 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by POPA
I've always been under the impression that CAs could only move to higher-paying aircraft, but I recently heard of one guy who upgraded to the 145, transistioned to the 170, and came back to the 145 because he disliked the 170. There's language in the contract that says the company isn't required to allow this, but I couldn't find anything that specifically prohibits it. I don't know if the company allows this in certain situations, or if the story is bull and nobody is allowed to do it.
I've read the same part of the contract. Others have said you specifically CAN'T do it but it says the company simply doesn't have to allow it. With the way they are pushing for the 170s your butt isn't moving. However the last bid did relieve people of they seatlocks to the CRJ if they wanted. I wouldn't be surprised if this changed in the next contract.
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Old 02-23-2008 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
I think your tone is inappropriate seeing the jest of my posting is quite clear. Whichever one of your 15000, errrrrrrrrr 3, certificates flies for Frontier is obviously the one that I was talking about.
Wexford owns a 4th one and of course there's the rumors of us picking up a 5th.
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