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Airsupport 03-02-2008 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by bored (Post 331925)
INteresting... it seems that Uncle Phil is marching to a different beat than we are over here at XJ. Never trust mgmt. :confused:

absolutley, you never trust management. the only reason i believe them this time is they are begging us to pick up flying for the entire month and everyone that does will get 150% pay. the only time i believe management is when they realize they are down and start throwing money at us to try and fix it.

LoudFastRules 03-02-2008 12:41 PM

Furthermore, we are NOT fat on Saab Captains. Reserve guys are being sent all over the system, several routinely break 75 hours on straight reserve and even reserve guys are being junior manned all the time.

TOWOPs are NOT appropriate for the Captain staffing we currently have. That just seems to be another penny pinching ploy from the executive suite.

p1kraft 03-02-2008 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by LoudFastRules (Post 331929)
Furthermore, we are NOT fat on Saab Captains. Reserve guys are being sent all over the system, several routinely break 75 hours on straight reserve and even reserve guys are being junior manned all the time.

TOWOPs are NOT appropriate for the Captain staffing we currently have. That just seems to be another penny pinching ploy from the executive suite.

i guess my previous post wasnt very good. I was illuding more toward FO's the saab FOs were a little overstaffed and like i said until FOs upgrade to captains faster and all thats another excuse for the TOWP. It is clear that saab captains are short not in excess when street captains are occasionally hired.

bored 03-02-2008 12:51 PM

Would you consider this plea for picking up flying at 150% as a way to mask the underlying problems at Pinnacle? It's convenient to blame Mesaba and our issues and to gloss over the fact your airline is run by people who can't manage their way out of a paper bag. The fact is that you guys have a staffing problem that was out of control long before the 200s started coming to Mesaba.

As for our Saab staffing... I would say we are indeed overstaffed on saab pilots. OVERALL we're overstaffed. The staffing unfortunately is lop sided with more CA's than necessary in MSP and less in the other 2 bases. Therefore the need for out of base reserve. I suspect this will even out as more saab CAs from MSP leave for the jets.

p1kraft 03-02-2008 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by bored (Post 331936)
Would you consider this plea for picking up flying at 150% as a way to mask the underlying problems at Pinnacle? It's convenient to blame Mesaba and our issues and to gloss over the fact your airline is run by people who can manage their way out of a paper bag. The fact is that you guys have a staffing problem that was out of control long before the 200s started coming to Mesaba.

As for our Saab staffing... I would say we are indeed overstaffed on saab pilots. OVERALL we're overstaffed. The staffing unfortunately is lop sided with more CA's than necessary in MSP and less in the other 2 bases. Therefore the need for out of base reserve. I suspect this will even out as more saab CAs from MSP leave for the jets.

agreed.

I guess they will still have the seat lock for saab captains released until it all balances out with captain staffing on the 900 as i understand.

Airsupport 03-02-2008 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by bored (Post 331936)
Would you consider this plea for picking up flying at 150% as a way to mask the underlying problems at Pinnacle? It's convenient to blame Mesaba and our issues and to gloss over the fact your airline is run by people who can manage their way out of a paper bag. The fact is that you guys have a staffing problem that was out of control long before the 200s started coming to Mesaba.

you are preaching to the choir man. we have been and probably will always be understaffed. the company would normally just run it understaffed without the 150, but they must be really desperate for them to start throwing money around.

dont get me wrong man, i am not trying to say anything bad about mesaba. if thats why you came off so aggressive at first then it was a misunderstanding. i am not blaming mesaba for anything. the understaffing issues don't affect me at all. i still have 18 days off in march, and i will not pick up one single trip for this company. its not worth it.

bertengineer 03-02-2008 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by Airsupport (Post 331928)
absolutley, you never trust management. the only reason i believe them this time is they are begging us to pick up flying for the entire month and everyone that does will get 150% pay. the only time i believe management is when they realize they are down and start throwing money at us to try and fix it.

They are offering 150 percent so they do not have to burn the reserves, and also because they need to cover the lines of those of us that have left, like rats jumping from a sinking ship. Get your resume ready and your strike fund up to par becasue you are going to need it!!!
average of 10 captains a month turning in their resignation! WHo knows how many FO's? SOme are leaving right out of ground school to go elsewhere.

Airsupport 03-02-2008 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by bertengineer (Post 331955)
They are offering 150 percent so they do not have to burn the reserves

what reserves?? :)

undsioux1 03-02-2008 01:36 PM

When did this memo come out? This past weekend? I checked CrewTrac and havent seen anything, I'm assuming its in our Vfiles.....

The company has been offering 150% pay alot lately. Ive had numerous JM voicemails saying I will recieve 150% for the trip and we also had the crewtrac message last month about staffing issues. Its fun to slowly watch the wheels fall off the ship.......

higney85 03-02-2008 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by Airsupport (Post 331956)
what reserves?? :)


all 3 of them- 1 for each hub. lol


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