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bigtime209 11-02-2018 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by PhantomHawk (Post 2701582)
Pretty sure the guy in question worked for COMAIR! That’s how old this thread is. Things have changed a little in the TEN YEARS since this thread started.

Hahahahaha...this!

Baradium 11-02-2018 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by cornbeef007 (Post 2701556)
I think your being a little dramatic....

Whether those Captains care because of:

A. I’m the Captain and they must kiss the ring.

B. They want to know who is back there in the case of an emergency.

The FOM doesn’t say they need to check in. I’m guessing we are given that guidance for a reason. I would recommend checking in as a jump seater but leaving someone for not doing so is incorrect.

Honestly, most of the guys that fit into A. from above would have a re-education conversation before they left someone behind.

The FOM does say they need to check in. It's a bit confusing because it uses the term "flight deck jumpseater" but it still calls them that even if seated in the cabin.

BigfatQ 11-02-2018 10:17 PM

I would just feel silly asking to check in with the captain when I'm jumpseating in the cabin of an A330 on an International flight. Especially if I'm all the way in the rear cabin. But I guess one day I might get kicked out

cornbeef007 11-03-2018 01:35 AM


Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 2702094)
The FOM does say they need to check in. It's a bit confusing because it uses the term "flight deck jumpseater" but it still calls them that even if seated in the cabin.

Shoot, I stand corrected...judging by the change demarcation next to the requirement, this is something new but old:)

CardboardCutout 11-03-2018 03:52 AM

Back to the OP. Yes.

rickair7777 11-05-2018 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by PhantomHawk (Post 2701582)
Pretty sure the guy in question worked for COMAIR! That’s how old this thread is. Things have changed a little in the TEN YEARS since this thread started.

The only thing that has changed is that *some* airlines now prefer that cabin jumpseaters don't bother the crew. But if it's not one of those, better check in.

There is a good reason for having cabin jumpseaters check in... many 135 operations "encourage" their pilots to use JS privilege to re-position to pick up airplanes (total violation of JS policy and intent).

The gate agent will let them on but in many cases they don't even have an agreement and are not listed in the FOM. So you're giving someone a free ride, who should be buying a ticket, so he can compete for your airlines premium pax...

galaxy flyer 11-05-2018 06:36 AM

To add, any 135 operator having JS privileges using them when they should be billing the charter customer ticket cost is one, probably billing them anyway and two, probably skirting a lot of other rules. Charter 135 is a cutthroat business.

I didn’t realize they could get JS privileges..

GF

dera 11-05-2018 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 2703219)
To add, any 135 operator having JS privileges using them when they should be billing the charter customer ticket cost is one, probably billing them anyway and two, probably skirting a lot of other rules. Charter 135 is a cutthroat business.

I didn’t realize they could get JS privileges..

GF

Plenty of 135 companies have CASS programs.

rickair7777 11-05-2018 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2703460)
Plenty of 135 companies have CASS programs.

But that doesn't mean they have an agreement with any particular airline, but the gate agents often don't know that.

dera 11-05-2018 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2703475)
But that doesn't mean they have an agreement with any particular airline, but the gate agents often don't know that.

True. I didn't realize some gate agents don't check eligibility for the JS. I would've thought that's their job.


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