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EMB120IP 03-23-2008 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by denramp (Post 346809)
If you get a seat in the back than relax and enjoy the ride...don't need to check with the Captain unless he briefs the FA to send all of em up.

Not sure if I'd recommend this. If you're on a jumpseat pass, but in the back, technically the CA is the final authority to allow this/fills out paperwork. Some CA's may not care, but J/Seating is a priveledge, not a right. Personally, even if I'm on a Standby pass, If there's time I'll introduce myself to the crew (usually they don't care, but it's nice to know you have an ACM in the back), and then to the FA's. You're riding for free, show em' you appreciate it.

The Juice 03-23-2008 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by denramp (Post 346809)
If you get a seat in the back than relax and enjoy the ride...don't need to check with the Captain unless he briefs the FA to send all of em up.

Should always check in. The Jumpseat form says the CA has final authority, not the Gate Agent. It is professional courtesy to ask the CA for a ride everytime. If not the next time the FA calls for the JS to come to the front it may be asking you to leave the plane since you did not check in with the CA...I have seen it and it does happen.

denramp 03-23-2008 08:37 PM

[quote=mooney;346823]YOU WORK ON THE RAMP!!
you are confusing JUMPSEATING with NONREVING,

Not talking about NonReving...talking about getting a seat in the back....not necessary to check in with the captain because the flight deck crew is usually very busy trying to quick turn the airplane.

It is a professional courtesy but also if the crew looks busy it is much more professional to not bother them.

My 02 cents.

TheGreatChecko 03-23-2008 09:06 PM

[quote=denramp;346931]

Originally Posted by mooney (Post 346823)
YOU WORK ON THE RAMP!!
you are confusing JUMPSEATING with NONREVING,

Not talking about NonReving...talking about getting a seat in the back....not necessary to check in with the captain because the flight deck crew is usually very busy trying to quick turn the airplane.

It is a professional courtesy but also if the crew looks busy it is much more professional to not bother them.

My 02 cents.

:confused:

If they are busy, you wait until they are done. It doesn't matter how "quick" the turn is, there is always a moment to say hello, even if it is after you stow your bags.

Its professional courtesy, along the same lines as turning off the taxi light when you get to the gate and are staring at the marshaller.

Checko

Short Bus Drive 03-23-2008 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 338139)
The CA always has final say on on a JSer, CASS or not. He might end up having to explain himself if he denies too many, or the wrong, JSer.

If there are seats in the cabin, and the JSer is employed by YOUR AIRLINE ONLY he may sit in the actual if he and the CA so desire. The TSA requires offline (including codeshare) JSer's to sit in the cabin if a seat is available. Your CA does not technically have the authority to allow those folks in JS if there's room in back.

If it were me, I'd say hi to both pilots, and most everybody does.

Where can I find this about HAVING to sit in the back if there is a seat...???

SayAgain 03-24-2008 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by TheProfessionalPilot http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...s/viewpost.gif
Hey for over an hour I got wacked in the back of the head by a fdx guy who thought it was funny.... See, I didn't say anything, because the captain told him to do it and that "he likes it".... so I got hit across the head from DFW to MEM... what a ride, while flying the appropriate departure too. Don't worry man, others HAVE had worse.

Oh yeah, like others have said, don't assume they are jerks just because of that. And don't be afraid to take a stand, like I didn't do on those two occasions. I don't know, something about being on probation makes me afraid to do much of anything. LoL So yeah, i'm being hypocritical. I wish I didn't feel like I would have been fired, but if I had said anything in either of those situations, what I would have said would have GOTTEN me fired, so keep that in mind IF you decide to take the stand!

I know what you're saying about probation - I had to deal with a volatile Captain and wished I had had more of a backbone. However, the Fedex pilot and your Captain - that's way over the line. What were they - 5 year olds? Amazing the stories you hear from the flight deck!

hindsight2020 03-24-2008 04:45 AM

Yeah, that's BS. Even in the military we don't f$ck around like that, especially when the co got 40 lbs on ya and doesn't particularly enjoy being a gear ***** anyways lol.

For all the bro sh$t I've seen, when it comes to flying everybody's on spot and does their job relying fully on the dude next to ya, cause he might keep ya honest one day, regardless of seat. I know everybody's clinging kung fu grip to their jobs but Jesus Christ man...

ewrbasedpilot 03-24-2008 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by trackpilot (Post 338332)
hmm i didn't know you had to ask the CA if the gate agent gave you a seat. Also how would he know? If he did find out i would think he'd assume you were just another non rev'r.

Unless they are starting the pushback or have no time, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS ask for a ride. It's common courtesy, and it's a good thing to let the CA/FO (yes FO included!) know there's another pilot in the back if they or the FA's need any help during the flight. It's a great gesture and one MOST pilots up front appreciate. I always ask the crew if they need me to get them anything before I take a seat in the back (assuming I was assigned one). 50% say they'd like me to get them something to drink and the other say they're fine. But it never hurts to ask and always makes a good impression. Sorry the DAL CA treated you like that, but one thing positive comes from the experience...........YOU learn how to be a better pilot and CA when the time comes. Use your time in the right seat to not only better yourself as a pilot, but as a person too! ;)

SilkySmooth 03-24-2008 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by cessna157 (Post 338110)
My question is, isn't it professional courtesy to thank the crew, etc. for giving you a ride to work for free, especially in the jumpseat? As an f/o, am I really pond scum?

Maybe it's time for you to exhibit some of that F.O. assertiveness and look that Delta Captain squarely in the face, extend your hand, and make him shake it! Maybe then he will respect you.

JetPipeOverht 03-24-2008 06:50 AM

Simple fact of professionalism, if you saw a crew getting off your aircraft you will inevitably ask yourself ' why didn't they come up to introduce themself ? ' ....The right thing to do, the courteous thing to do is to go up there, if they are not busy/late/extended/whatever, is to introduce yourself and to make yourself as available to the FA's as possible too :)


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