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Old 03-15-2008 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by POPA
Yes, RAH has furloughed. Management is contractually obligated to furlough pilots instead of just kicking them to the curb. Is there anything that forces SKW to do the same? The "we've never done it before" argument doesn't really hold water, as I'm more interested in something concrete.
Yes, because Jerry is really going to kick us to the curb How does that make any sense?? If the poop hits the fan bad, we'll see furloughs, not layoffs.
Old 03-15-2008 | 03:03 PM
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i personally know several people who were hired at skywest, 6 guys to be exact, that had passed their checkrides and were on the bro when 9/11 hit. they were sent packing and all came back to my school

It's a bit difficult to follow exactly what you're trying to say. You claim that SkyWest furloughed 6 ?

Did these employees already have their airplane ride completed (not just sim?). I ask because they wouldn't be covered by our (non-union) contract until that fateful day.

I believe at Delta, according to a former SkyWest guy who is a new hire there, he wouldn't be furloughed, but canned, until he completed 400 hours or 6 months (whichever is first) of probation.

I did see a -900 parked in the weeds today at SLC, with a handful of -200's and a -120. I'm sure the furlough thing came up on 9/11, as well as other tough times. SkyWest just hasn't done it yet, but like has been pointed out, it took Delta 60 years to pop that cherry. We've only been around 35

I personally would take a voluntary vacation, 'cuz let's face it, most of us should be able to make more money at virtually any job, than an F/O at any regional carrier.

For the folks new to SkyWest, just know that any actual furlough would be an extremely tough decision by folks who do pride themselves on doing the right thing for more than three decades. Smart money decisions have to be made, and a furlough certainly is always on the table. But it won't be a willy nilly choice. And I doubt anything would happen until this summer, to see whether loads and flying pick up as they traditionally do.

Relax until then. With a major election coming up, multiple huge airline mergers, record oil prices, screwed up financial market, but still high load factors, anything can happen.

I vote for raising ticket prices !
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
Yes, because Jerry is really going to kick us to the curb How does that make any sense?? If the poop hits the fan bad, we'll see furloughs, not layoffs.

Yah, you and I, and virtually every SkyWest pilot knows we're not gunna get canned.
Old 03-15-2008 | 03:20 PM
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The company offered voluntary unpaid leaves to the flight attendants this week.
Old 03-15-2008 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
I mean you offense but can you read. Where did I say NEVER! I'll help; here are my postings without the water:
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To think that SKW will never furlough
Seems to me you said it right here. Or did you mean to use the word ever? Also, not quite sure if you actually mean me offense or not?

(If you can't quite figure it out, now I'm just picking on you. Sorry if it was too heavy handed.)
Old 03-15-2008 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
Seems to me you said it right here. Or did you mean to use the word ever? Also, not quite sure if you actually mean me offense or not?

(If you can't quite figure it out, now I'm just picking on you. Sorry if it was too heavy handed.)
You must have been English major.
Old 03-15-2008 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyWilliams
It's a bit difficult to follow exactly what you're trying to say. You claim that SkyWest furloughed 6 ?

Did these employees already have their airplane ride completed (not just sim?). I ask because they wouldn't be covered by our (non-union) contract until that fateful day.

I believe at Delta, according to a former SkyWest guy who is a new hire there, he wouldn't be furloughed, but canned, until he completed 400 hours or 6 months (whichever is first) of probation.

I did see a -900 parked in the weeds today at SLC, with a handful of -200's and a -120. I'm sure the furlough thing came up on 9/11, as well as other tough times. SkyWest just hasn't done it yet, but like has been pointed out, it took Delta 60 years to pop that cherry. We've only been around 35

I personally would take a voluntary vacation, 'cuz let's face it, most of us should be able to make more money at virtually any job, than an F/O at any regional carrier.

For the folks new to SkyWest, just know that any actual furlough would be an extremely tough decision by folks who do pride themselves on doing the right thing for more than three decades. Smart money decisions have to be made, and a furlough certainly is always on the table. But it won't be a willy nilly choice. And I doubt anything would happen until this summer, to see whether loads and flying pick up as they traditionally do.

Relax until then. With a major election coming up, multiple huge airline mergers, record oil prices, screwed up financial market, but still high load factors, anything can happen.

I vote for raising ticket prices !
Probation at Delta is 400 hours of block time or 12 months which ever occurs first. Also probationary pilots are not "canned" in the event of a furlough. I seriously doubt a Delta pilot, new hire or otherwise, would not be aware of this. Not only were all of the post 9/11 furloughs still on probation offered recall, but were also given longevity credit for time spent on furlough. Thus a 2001 hire returned from furlough at 7th year pay.
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
You must have been English major.
Nah, just an anal type A+ pilot. You know, the usual. Although it may also be a side effect of trying to teach an eight year old how to proofread what he writes.
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Originally Posted by Deez340
Probation at Delta is 400 hours of block time or 12 months which ever occurs first. Also probationary pilots are not "canned" in the event of a furlough. I seriously doubt a Delta pilot, new hire or otherwise, would not be aware of this. Not only were all of the post 9/11 furloughs still on probation offered recall, but were also given longevity credit for time spent on furlough. Thus a 2001 hire returned from furlough at 7th year pay.

Thanks for clarifying. It's entirely possible that he does know, and I misunderstood.
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Originally Posted by TonyWilliams
Thanks for clarifying. It's entirely possible that he does know, and I misunderstood.
He might have meant in the event of a strike. A probationary pilot participating in a job action would not be initially protected. However, the back to work agreement will usually have language reinstating probationary pilots that honored the strike.
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