One reason CAL is contracting with XJT is it found a loophole allowing 37 and 50 pax jets

 

CAL is contracting with XJT because they use to own us. We use to be part of CAL.

They sold us to make a quick buck and now want to save more by weeding us away for cheaper operations.

What do you think American management is trying to do to Eagle right now?

 

So what does this ruling mean? What are we hoping to get out of management?

 

Ya know, it's this kind of ruling that makes me wonder about Freedom "A" back in 2002-3. It was an alter ego deal as well and ALPA jumped at the company's offer of scope with absolutely ZIP contract improvements. Now, one of our negotiators is working over in corporate, a coolaid boy to say the least considering the filth that spews from his mouth these days. I wonder... a cool million changing hands behind the scenes... a ruse about Mesa on the chopping block and Freedom A being the new deal... an offer of scope... a cut-throat contract... a deal is made. Wow. It just keeps smelling worse and worse. I don't know, someone should do some poking around, investigate.

 

P.S. I'm glad I'm at Colgan flying the Saab for that reason, we don't take jobs away from the majors. Can't see a Boeing landing at Del Rio or Victoria, TX


Here is my thought on fixing this industry, I think regionals should not be allowed to fly between two B class airports. Hence the word regional, they should be used to feed the smaller destinations. I hear the longest express flight is 4+ hours to Canada I think. That's not regional flying. This change would force the majors to fly the routes with larger equipment and more pay. In my opinion no one needs 7-10 flights between two airports a day.
I know this change would severely shrink the regionals with Rjs but openings at majors would def increase. Thoughts???

 

While I do not feel a regional should be flying from MEM-SLC there are many flights between class B's that are not too long and would not be able to justify a 737. MEM-CLT for instance. Not full often with a 50 seater and why would it b/c you have Usair (regional affiliates) flying RJ's back and forth all day in addition to NWA to MEM. I do think scope clauses need to head back to a smaller number. 50 seats and smaller is a regional in my opinion. 50+ should be at mainline. Unfortunately the 50seaters are soo inefficient with high dollar oil I really see the scope clause staying at 76 or eventually moving up to 100. We fly the -900 in a 76 seat configuration. That is not far off from the DC-9-10 that NWA has been retiring (or maybe even retired the 9-10 already). Look at the smaller 737's and the DC-9's/ MD-80's not too much bigger (as far as seats) as the -900 in the 86 seat mesa configuration. If ALPA is really going to "take it back" there needs to be support from the mainline guys and the regional guys on scope and work rules. I would say MOST pilots starting today plan on a major, MANY get there, SOME stay at the regional level for their own reasons (QOL). Just my thoughts. You cannot justify flying a Bus or bigger between every city pair- especially with $100+ barrel oil.

 

to unhijack this thread....yes the arbitrator ruled in ALPA's favor. But "management" came out with a statement a few days ago saying that they were not bound by the arbitrators decision, because the arbitrator met with Pinnacle, INC not Pinnacle CORP. The assinine egotistical maniacs in charge at this company really amazes me. Not only do they think they are above ALPA, they think they are above the FAA and NMB and that nobody can touch them.

 

[quote=mooney;347180]to unhijack this thread....yes the arbitrator ruled in ALPA's favor. But "management" came out with a statement a few days ago saying that they were not bound by the arbitrators decision, because the arbitrator met with Pinnacle, INC not Pinnacle CORP. The assinine egotistical maniacs in charge at this company really amazes me. Not only do they think they are above ALPA, they think they are above the FAA and NMB and that nobody can touch them.[/quote

Yeah, kinda like talk to the hand is what management is saying. Unfortunately they will continually be able to get away with it and nothing the pilots can do.

Thanks for bringing the thread back on topic....XJet guys need to start another thread.

 

WHAT!?

Wow, why don't you tell that to the CAL pilots? No wonder we have a problem in this industry.

All CAL flying should be done by CAL pilots. Just because its a Saab, means it should be done by Colgan, especially with the pay for the 70-seater.

I love the continual XJT bashing by the way and total ignorance that Colgan is doing nothing wrong to the CAL pilots.

 

Get over yourself dude.