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IQuitEagle 03-25-2008 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by tpersuit (Post 348173)
One guy stated it was totally fine for a 70-seater to replace our 50-seater, with lower paid pilots, because it was a turbo-prop and not a jet. Didn't know the Majors never flew props before.

Actually, if you are referring to this post:


Originally Posted by phoenix 23684 (Post 347139)
P.S. I'm glad I'm at Colgan flying the Saab for that reason, we don't take jobs away from the majors. Can't see a Boeing landing at Del Rio or Victoria, TX

you are mistaken. He clearly stated he was flying the Saab, not the Q400. The Saab has 34 seats, and can hardly fly the routes that the ERJ can. Be angry about the Q400, I can see that. But the Saab? Might as well be mad about the E120 Brasilia and J31 too then. Heck, the B1900 too, seeing as how it's faster than the Saab!

ToiletDuck 03-25-2008 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by tpersuit (Post 347299)
WHAT!?

Wow, why don't you tell that to the CAL pilots? No wonder we have a problem in this industry.

All CAL flying should be done by CAL pilots. Just because its a Saab, means it should be done by Colgan, especially with the pay for the 70-seater.

I love the continual XJT bashing by the way and total ignorance that Colgan is doing nothing wrong to the CAL pilots.

I love how you were never part of XJT when it had anything to do with CAL in the first place yet feel like you've been robbed.

tpersuit 03-25-2008 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 348289)
I love how you were never part of XJT when it had anything to do with CAL in the first place yet feel like you've been robbed.

What does that have to do with helping to defend my brothers at XJT that were and those at CAL that keep losing their flying. Not surprised by your comment Toilet

Jamers 03-25-2008 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by tpersuit (Post 348297)
What does that have to do with helping to defend my brothers at XJT that were and those at CAL that keep losing their flying. Not surprised by your comment Toilet


I think that BETA is calling you too. You can't resist it, just give in. It's ok, it doesn't hurt.

phoenix 23684 03-25-2008 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by IQuitEagle (Post 348273)
Actually, if you are referring to this post:



you are mistaken. He clearly stated he was flying the Saab, not the Q400. The Saab has 34 seats, and can hardly fly the routes that the ERJ can. Be angry about the Q400, I can see that. But the Saab? Might as well be mad about the E120 Brasilia and J31 too then. Heck, the B1900 too, seeing as how it's faster than the Saab!

That's exactly what I was referring to. I know I'm not taking anyone's flying away in my little Saab. I could have gone RJ, I choose the Saab for several reasons. And I'm angry at the darn B1900 for being faster :D:D Just kidding.

To go back to topic here I don't think 9L and 9E will be integrated anytime soon, looking at how management feels, it will be a long fight. 9E pilots have been getting jerked for the past 3 yrs about their contract. I would love for 9E to get their contract, us merge with fences and be a happy family just don't see it happening for years, specially with the economy.

And please if you were not part of your company getting an union stop bashing us for failing our first time! YOU have not a single right to talk. Anyone else that fought for their union is welcome to provide advice on lessons learned. We are our worst enemy and until we start to care about each other I don't see this getting any better for anyone.

ToiletDuck 03-25-2008 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by tpersuit (Post 348297)
What does that have to do with helping to defend my brothers at XJT that were and those at CAL that keep losing their flying. Not surprised by your comment Toilet

The fact that you see it as a defense in the first place and secondly that your "brothers" aren't looking for anything to defend. No one is blind to what is happening. You keep looking to place blame when there's no blame to place. The rest of us see this. FYI CHQ wasn't the lowest bid by any means. Mesa and PNCL both were lower. Perhaps you should realize the industry is ran by people that aren't pilots and don't share the opinions of pilots instead of doing what you can to hold others accountable for managements decisions.

ToiletDuck 03-25-2008 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by Jamers (Post 348336)
I think that BETA is calling you too. You can't resist it, just give in. It's ok, it doesn't hurt.

I'm laughing so hard right now!

tpersuit 03-25-2008 06:57 PM

I do think it is managements fault. It's funny that you and others just always seem to turn it around and say us at XJT are complaining. I know it's not the pilots fault. You guys just keep ignoring what is happening and then just say something bad about XJT to distract from what I was talking about.

Your game is very obvious.

ToiletDuck 03-25-2008 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by tpersuit (Post 348470)
I do think it is managements fault. It's funny that you and others just always seem to turn it around and say us at XJT are complaining. I know it's not the pilots fault. You guys just keep ignoring what is happening and then just say something bad about XJT to distract from what I was talking about.

Your game is very obvious.

Who's ignoring anything? CAL had their regional just like others and made a business move to diversify their flying just like others. No one is ignoring anything. I'd say "we guys" fully understand what's going on and accept it because there's nothing any amount of worrying is going to accomplish. You however attack over and over. You attack the pilot groups themselves. You act like it's our fault. Stop crying.

tpersuit 03-25-2008 09:11 PM

See, you did it again. Keep twisting everything I say. You only have one track way of defending yourself here and that is to say the other person is crying and attacking you.

Man, I'll be surprised what comes out of your mouth next.


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