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afterburn81 03-24-2008 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by vonerotate (Post 347385)
Wow! 2500 GAL/hr.....that's pretty inefficient.

If that is per engine, yeah I would say so. On the -700 up at 370/.82 we tend to indicate about 1800 per engine/total 3600 per hr if I remember correctly. I have no clue what ATR's, Q's, and 1900's burn and where they relate to the RJ's. Wow! Totally Hijacked this thread.....Oooopppss;)

flynavyj 03-24-2008 05:29 PM

a 145 cruising @ FL370 will typically burn 1200 lbs/hr/eng, so 2500 lbs/hr total is pretty accurate, the key is getting up there. Differences in fuel burn between FL300-FL370 is somewhat significant.

tpersuit 03-24-2008 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 347519)
If that is per engine, yeah I would say so. On the -700 up at 370/.82 we tend to indicate about 1800 per engine/total 3600 per hr if I remember correctly.

Yeah its the total amount. You proved my point though about the 50 seater not being as terrible as people think.

This isn't too accurate, but close enough to prove the point why the 50 seater can't die. The Speeds aren't too different, but you can see that even with 70 passengers on board it still is the same if not more per passenger. If the market can only sustain a 50 seater than a 70 seater would lose a ton more money.

EMB-145XR - 50 passengers
.80 MACH
2500 lbs/hr
50 lbs/passenger

-700 - 70 passengers
.82 MACH
3600 lbs/hr
51.5 lbs/passenger

SmoothOnTop 03-24-2008 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 347430)
Will someone please tell me why it is good for pilots to have RJs (flown by Regional Pilots making much less than their mainline counterparts) flying routes that compete with the DC-9 and its progeny, baby Boeings, and short 'Buses?

Good post FJ,

My settlements exactly. If we'all didn't fly jets at the regional level, those routes and airplanes would be at the majors, we'dall be working for the majors, chicks chasing us and our fat wallets down the concourse....

waflyboy 03-24-2008 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop (Post 347640)
Good post FJ,

My settlements exactly. If we'all didn't fly jets at the regional level, those routes and airplanes would be at the majors, we'dall be working for the majors, chicks chasing us and our fat wallets down the concourse....

LOL!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Funny man.

The Chow 03-25-2008 05:28 AM

What if?
 
This realization has come as oil went from $40 a barrel 7 years ago to $100-$110.

So since this country has no energy policy...nothing is going to stop oil from hitting $150 in the next 6-7 years. So what do the majors do then?

Right now they still haven't raised ticket prices enough, so I'm wondering if anything smaller than a 777 will be considered a gas hog????

Sorry for the drift.

flycrj200 03-25-2008 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by sargeanb (Post 347393)
But how often do we get up to 370 in the RJs?? Not very often. Especially in the northeast, and short hops in the midwest, like we do with our E135s out of CVG. The only way the 50 seat RJs will be efficient is on long, skinny routes to secondary airports, where the load factors don't warrant a 70 seater. Keep in mind too that for the 70 seater, the crew generally gets paid more as well (higher Capt, senior FO pay, and 2 FAs vs 1 on the 50 seater).

About $2 more than the 50. Will not make a diff.

paxhauler85 03-25-2008 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by tpersuit (Post 347377)
Do the math, our 145XR's burn 2500 lbs/hr at FL370 and cruise at a TAS of 460. We would get to our destination in a fraction of the time of a Prop flying at FL250 and burning 2400 lbs/hr. We would actually be more fuel efficient.

The dash-200 burns 1300 lbs/hr at FL250 (600-650 lbs/hr per engine). At least that's what our cruise performance charts give us, at around 275 KTS TAS.

Paok 03-25-2008 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by Killer51883 (Post 347276)
now how does that work? and what states i might have to move...

Missouri retrained my furloughed aunt from American (TWA) on a citation.....

Tiger2Flying 03-25-2008 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed (Post 347434)
In fact XJ is planning to hire another 300 or more pilots in 2008.

If this is true when will they begin interviewing again and when would one expect a class date? I know a couple of guys that interviewed in Nov. and Dec. 07 and were told to expect a class date in April. They havn't heard a thing from HR since.


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