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ExperimentalAB 03-25-2008 07:51 AM

Don't forget that the folks in First are paying more, however...true, that brings a -700 down to 66 seats, but they are still paying that premium.



Originally Posted by tpersuit (Post 347593)
Yeah its the total amount. You proved my point though about the 50 seater not being as terrible as people think.

This isn't too accurate, but close enough to prove the point why the 50 seater can't die. The Speeds aren't too different, but you can see that even with 70 passengers on board it still is the same if not more per passenger. If the market can only sustain a 50 seater than a 70 seater would lose a ton more money.

EMB-145XR - 50 passengers
.80 MACH
2500 lbs/hr
50 lbs/passenger

-700 - 70 passengers
.82 MACH
3600 lbs/hr
51.5 lbs/passenger


Lighteningspeed 03-25-2008 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by Tiger2Flying (Post 347913)
If this is true when will they begin interviewing again and when would one expect a class date? I know a couple of guys that interviewed in Nov. and Dec. 07 and were told to expect a class date in April. They havn't heard a thing from HR since.

The training department is swamped and in turn has created a bit of a backlog, so to speak. Hiring in turn has to slow down a bit until the jam has been cleared. My understanding is that hiring and training will go into full swing in the Spring (ie April onward). If you were offered a job, you will hear from the HR for sure. What class date you will get is completely up the Training department. If they call you with a class date, and you want something earlier, tell them nicely that you are available for an earlier one. Be ready because they might call you a week before the class date, though not likely.

Tiger2Flying 03-25-2008 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed (Post 347929)
The training department is swamped and in turn has created a bit of a backlog, so to speak. Hiring in turn has to slow down a bit until the jam has been cleared. My understanding is that hiring and training will go into full swing in the Spring (ie April onward). If you were offered a job, you will hear from the HR for sure. What class date you will get is completely up the Training department. If they call you with a class date, and you want something earlier, tell them nicely that you are available for an earlier one. Be ready because they might call you a week before the class date, though not likely.

This is the first of this "good" news that I have heard in the past few months. On the-pipe there is a lot of doom and gloom about training dates being in late summer (Sept.-Oct.) if at all this year. There has also been talk of guys that were in the pool having to re-interview to stay in the pool. Have you heard differently about this (I hope so becuase this waiting game is a hard one to keep playing)?

johnso29 03-25-2008 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 347417)
Darn, grosshole was quicker than me.

It's a shame that joke went RIGHT over your head.

I'm not the sharpest tack in the box, but the last time I flew, the gages on the EICAS displayed fuel in POUNDS PER HOUR, not GALLONS PER HOUR.

Using the assumed fuel density out of our CFM, calculate 2500 gallons into pounds. It's MORE than the XR can even hold.

Also, like I said, I'm not the sharpest tack. But at 370 I don't usually see 460 TAS, it's usually around 440-445. If you want to see something like 460, you usually have to be around FL280/290.


Fly the XR's much? You'd see it if you did.

dojetdriver 03-26-2008 12:34 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 348019)
Fly the XR's much? You'd see it if you did.

That's funny. After I read your post, I'd ask the same of you.

But I'm on the west coast. ALL we fly is 135 EP's.

But if I WAS flying the XR, I'd ask you this, are you flying at the flight planned .78, or all the way at the barber pole?

.79-80 MIGHT yield something CLOSE to 450.

There has been more than ONE time I have been in an XR, TL's in the detent, .76-.77 is ALL the thing will do.

Do the math, 460 at 370 is not REALLY what you will come up with.

tpersuit 03-26-2008 04:02 AM


Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 348622)
That's funny. After I read your post, I'd ask the same of you.

But I'm on the west coast. ALL we fly is 135 EP's.

But if I WAS flying the XR, I'd ask you this, are you flying at the flight planned .78, or all the way at the barber pole?

.79-80 MIGHT yield something CLOSE to 450.

There has been more than ONE time I have been in an XR, TL's in the detent, .76-.77 is ALL the thing will do.

Do the math, 460 at 370 is not REALLY what you will come up with.

460 is usually what I see and I fly them all the time. This argument is stupid, your complaining about me saying 460 and you think its 450? Serious?

maveric311 03-26-2008 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed (Post 347929)
The training department is swamped and in turn has created a bit of a backlog, so to speak. Hiring in turn has to slow down a bit until the jam has been cleared. My understanding is that hiring and training will go into full swing in the Spring (ie April onward). If you were offered a job, you will hear from the HR for sure. What class date you will get is completely up the Training department. If they call you with a class date, and you want something earlier, tell them nicely that you are available for an earlier one. Be ready because they might call you a week before the class date, though not likely.

This is second hand info, but a pilot that I worked with as an instructor got on with them in september last year. He recently told me that an email was put around that there are no plans for classes untill september of this year at XJT and the slots would be given to those that were in the pool by date of hire (interview). again, 2nd hand info, but thats what keeps getting sent around the campfire.

dojetdriver 03-26-2008 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by tpersuit (Post 348647)
460 is usually what I see and I fly them all the time. This argument is stupid, your complaining about me saying 460 and you think its 450? Serious?


Well, you are the one that said we burn 2500 GALLONS per hour. Are YOU serious?

It's a freaking joke, relax. ANOTHER stab at humor went right over your head, AGAIN.

ToiletDuck 03-26-2008 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by JetBlast77 (Post 347250)
True or false.....those of us who fly 50 seaters will be out of a job in the near future? (unless our airline gets more larger a/c)

T-props are the future and will make a comeback. Look at the speed and specs of a Q400 and tell me why they should fly an RJ with sky rocketing fuel prices.

tpersuit 03-26-2008 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 348773)
Well, you are the one that said we burn 2500 GALLONS per hour. Are YOU serious?

It's a freaking joke, relax. ANOTHER stab at humor went right over your head, AGAIN.

wow,
or maybe you got called out on comparing apples to oranges and you acted like it was a joke. As for the gallon remark, yeah I mistype, but you know what I meant.


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