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de727ups 03-26-2008 08:51 AM

I have a friend who came up through UND several years ago. When I first met him, he wanted to get checked out to instruct in a 152. The adjustment was quick but not pretty at first. That's when I found out all he had flown was Piper products. At the FBO, I flew Cessnas, Pipers, Mooneys, an Aero Commander and an Aeronca Sedan. There is value in that and it's something that your typical UNDer doesn't experience.

OptimusClimb 03-26-2008 09:08 AM

Wow what was this thread about again? ....

BZNpilot248 03-26-2008 09:12 AM

lol, yeah... about that - hopefully the pool will be empty and hiring in full swing by the time I've done my time at my current cargo gig.. :D I guess I'll be enjoying my weekends off for now.:cool:

tpersuit 03-26-2008 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 348659)
Yes UND and Riddle students do have to take more classes than a GA grad but does this make him or her a better aviator? No! It’s what’s inside the person that makes him or her a better aviator.

Oh.. my.. God!
Lets all sing Kum Bi Yah!!!



Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 348659)
Tpersuit, 141 or GA what does it really matter. I think the smarter pilot is the one who spent very little money, actually learn the material and has a degree in something else other than aviation.

UND is not that expensive. I spent an average $4,500 year on tuition.



Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 348659)
BTW, if you want tough let’s talk about the Air Force Academy or Annapolis. UND, Riddle or any other aviation institution can’t hold a candle to those schools.

Air Force Academy is one of the toughest, a lot more than UND and Riddle. But with your argument about GA training being the same as a 121 then it should be equal to those two as well.

JetJock, where did you do all your training?
I have done 141 and GA. Flight instructed in LA airspace, outside the "UND bubble" and flew 50 hours around the entire Midwest in a twin to gain some good practical experience when I left UND. If you never went to UND, what makes you an expert on its training there. All the GA stuff I've done was a cake walk compared to UND training.

A good thing about UND is they set you straight on following policy and procedures, which is good training for someone wanting to work at the airlines. I remember some guys that had done GA before coming to UND and they whined about why they had to follow policies all the time. Now not all of them were like that. My good friend since freshman year had over 200 hours GA before he came to UND, and he is probably the best pilot I know. He became that good because of the combination of the two.

The point I am trying to make is it is good to have experience with all aspects of the industry. UND made me study hard and follow policies and procedures, while the GA flying gave me some really good real world experience. I'm very glad I didn't instruct at UND because I got out of the bubble and became a much better pilot because of it. But to say that someone who just had only GA flying is automatically the same experience as a 121 grad is lying to yourself.

I ask you again, have you done 121? and if so where?

tpersuit 03-26-2008 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by ehaeckercfi (Post 348851)
I learned at an FBO from a 70 year old man who had been instructing since he was 18. UND is still better though.... Give me a break you moron

wow, ignorance. Have you done both? You sound like a person who just wants to justify why everything he does is the best. And no don't turn this on me like I am just saying UND is the best. I'm saying the training there is harder and more advanced than any GA flying I've done.

tpersuit 03-26-2008 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by de727ups (Post 348799)
I have a friend who came up through UND several years ago. When I first met him, he wanted to get checked out to instruct in a 152. The adjustment was quick but not pretty at first. That's when I found out all he had flown was Piper products. At the FBO, I flew Cessnas, Pipers, Mooneys, an Aero Commander and an Aeronca Sedan. There is value in that and it's something that your typical UNDer doesn't experience.

It is good value. I got a lot better once I started flying multiple makes and models when I was flight instructing.
by the way, we fly SR-20's and Barons there. SR-20 is a pretty fun one.

Seatownflyer 03-26-2008 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by tpersuit (Post 348905)
It is good value. I got a lot better once I started flying multiple makes and models when I was flight instructing.
by the way, we fly SR-20's and Barons there. SR-20 is a pretty fun one.

yeah they are. fast planes! snappy too. I enjoyed flying those.

/riddler
//don't regret it.
///it was a blast.

ehaeckercfi 03-26-2008 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by tpersuit (Post 348904)
wow, ignorance. Have you done both? You sound like a person who just wants to justify why everything he does is the best. And no don't turn this on me like I am just saying UND is the best. I'm saying the training there is harder and more advanced than any GA flying I've done.

Than any GA flying YOU have done. You did all of an MEI, which is the easiest rating to get no matter where you go. I have done both. Ignorance? I think not.

tpersuit 03-26-2008 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by ehaeckercfi (Post 348931)
Than any GA flying YOU have done. You did all of an MEI, which is the easiest rating to get no matter where you go. I have done both. Ignorance? I think not.

You kidding me.
I guess flight instructing in LA doesn't count as GA flying?
You a so blinded by what you did that you think it is the best.

WOW!

ehaeckercfi 03-26-2008 12:08 PM

You are so blinded by being a moron...
Do they teach grammar at UND? If so, you surly failed that class!


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