Express Jet denying Colgan jump seating
 

A couple of days ago I was told that some of my fellow pilots at Colgan who are based in EWR have been denied jump seating by some crews at Express Jet.

If this is happening and any of you know of this please stop. Let's quit preventing fellow pilots from commuting to/from work. It's not the pilots that are responsible for the Q or whatever CAL management is deciding and we need no be getting turned on one another. Last thing we all need is a feud between the two companies.

Exactly, the people this will hurt are the pilots commuting on both sides. We were told on the Colgan side not to deny XJet jumpseaters even though some of our guys have been denied by XJet.

I hope it stops or I know we will start denying XJet guys rides on out flights. I hope it does not come to this but it will be pretty petty to tell an XJet guy in Alexandria, LA that he can not ride with us to IAH because someone in Newark denied one of our guys.

Lets end this before it gets bad

Erm, does anyone actually have proof of this happening, or is this all hearsay? Let's not all jump to conclusions about what really happened; for all you know the aircraft was weight restricted or the O2 was low and maintenance didn't have time to come service it.

Plus, the only side of the story you'll hear is from the Colgan pilot who was denied. He can say anything he wants with nobody to dispute it.

These things always flare up and it is usually this sort of BS. I heard from a guy who knows a guy that was denied because he was Colgan. Chances are someone was denied for a legitimate reason like W&B, especially on the ER models.

The smart move not to start this jumpseat war you are afraid of is to get the truth before posting it here. Contact your jumpseat committee or get real dates, times, and flight numbers. It seems the initial reaction of people when they are denied is to blame some political reason rather than find out the real cause.

This is pure BS

Although Colgan does not recognize boarding priority when it comes to Non-revving/jumpseating.


I talked to one member of the Jumpseat Committee today about another issue, I had asked him about this type of situation as I have heard a rumor here or there, and it was false. Jumpseat wars arent what we do here, and believe me, more people get to work on us then Colgan. Don't spread rumors like this.

Political jumpseat denials happen all the time....

Thankfully they're not all that common and when they do, are generally quashed via pro standards or a chief pilot pretty quickly. But you will always have your 5% that cause 95% of the problem.

Childish and stupid? Yes. Does it happen? Absolutely.

Who cares?

I don't know

Mesa wouldnlt let me on when i was at colgan last year out of iad and the crj only had 5 people on it... *******s!

I work for Colgan and have been based in IAH for the last two weeks. During the last two weeks I have jumpseated on Express Jet probably about 6 or 7 times. Every crew from Express Jet could not have been nicer more helpful or more proffesional. I am relitively new to this business, however, I think Express Jet has a great product in the service that they offer to their passangers. I look forward to the opportunity to ride to and from work on Express Jet on my weekly commute and I will do anything I can to help fellow pilots, especially Express Jet pilots.

wow, I'm amazed how quickly a couple guys started bashing XJT on here. One of the best paying regionals out there. At least drummerguy is cool. As for the second guy saying he would deny a XJT guy, common, jumpseat wars are not what we need to be doing. Take the high road and you can squash the issue fast.

Just who was bashing XJT.........

here we go again...

Don't get disillusioned and start thinking your airline's **** doesn't stink.

Your airline has it's percentage of douchebags.
My airline has it's percentage of douchebags.
EVERY airline has it's percentage of douchebags.

And they all do bad things that reflect poorly on their respective airlines.

Remember the 95% - 5% rule?

Lighten up.

The crew or the gate agent?

How does this have anything at all to do with jumpseating?? Is there a correlation between pay and jumpseating?

this is what I'm talking about. Just assuming that XJT is denying guys on purpose without any proof to why a jumpseater may have been denied. and then stating Colgan side is not doing it in the same sentence. Then say Colgan will start to deny XJT guys because of this hearsay? Looks pretty straight forward to me. This is how these battles start and we don't need a jumpseat war right now.

I work for CJC and commute to/from my base on XJT and the crews have been great everytime. Never a bit of hostility from anyone thankfully.

IAH based colgan and XJT pilots have always seemed to get along. It may be because we are alot more laid back here in Texas than where ever EWR is.

Any pilot is welcome on my aircraft. I don't care who they work for, or where they need to get to. We always seem to manage to crunch the numbers to make it work out...Summer time is a little bit harder then other times of the year, but we do what we can to accomidate.

This bickering is retarted, and I think it should stop...just my 2 cents

I hope that doesn't include GoJet...:mad: I agree that most of the bickering is pointless and I too bend over backwards to accommodate most jumpseaters. However, GoJet knowingly stabbed the TSA pilots in the back. They should not be rewarded for their actions. It's a matter of principal and an example needs to be set to discourage this back stabbing behavior.

Other than GoJets and those on the Scablist, I agree that the jumpseat should not be denied for political reasons although I do think that it would be easier for the Colgan guys if they hadn't rejected ALPA. Now that they have a taste of Pinnacle management's overwhelming generosity and compassion for it's people, I trust that they will make the right choice next time... Before I got into the airlines, I was never a pro-union person however in light of the tactics and ethical standards of most airline managements, it is clear that unions are the only way to protect a pilot's interests.

Because the Colgan guys operate the Q400 for such low pay and then rejected ALPA, I can see how the XJT pilots who lost part of their flying feel. Rather than taking it out on all the Colgan pilots (many did vote for ALPA) we should be concentrating on ensuring that the Colgan guys who didn't vote ALPA understand the importance of doing so next time around. I think it is better to take the high road and try to improve the situation as opposed to punishing the entire pilot group for the choice made by some.

It's not the pilots that bid to fly the Q400's fault? Did mangement force them to fly a 74 seat airliner for burger flipping compensation?

Don't follow you on that one. You all should boycot Chuck and Phil's Q-400 pilot exploitation scheme.

Another hyperbole, do you ever take a break from the dramatics?

Colgan lost ALPA by four votes. This meant that over 49% said yes. Me personaly, I'm not so sure if ALPA is the best union right now anyway.

So how does another pilot decide which percentage a perspective jumpseater falls in. The 49 or 52?!? This is kinda BS no matter how you slice it. Air Wisconisn took over all the flying out of my privious base and they ended up pulling the Saab out. Does that mean I need to be a jacka$$ and deny boarding to all Air Wiskey guys. Come on we all have a job to do and we all need to get to work. Online, most people seem to be quick to jump into a ****ing contest but when we are all face to face in the cockpit we bite are toungs and do are jobs. This is how its has been and how it needs to be!!!

This thread was started by someone who "heard" that Colgan pilots had been denied the jumpseat.

I work for CJC and commute to work on ExpressJet and have never had any problems. The pilots have always been friendly and accomodating.

If someone has firsthand experience of being denied the jumpseat due to the fact that they work for Colgan, then please share... otherwise it should be treated as pure gossip and shouldn't be escalated beyond that.

The jumpseat coordinator published a memo confirming that Colgan guys had at least a few times been denied JS on a XJ aircraft. There is no system wide boycott on either side.

But at least AWAC doesn't pay Walmart wages to their pilots. So I would say that your example is not the best comparison.

Well you know what they say, we are all destend to become the PIC of the local Wal Mart foyer. But thanks for the interest Ill make sure I keep your name on the list.

HAHA....nice.

The difference is that I am no longer in the aviation industry, so please don't do me any favors...

I fear I may end up the same. I hope you are enjoying your new line of work!

I find it humorous and ironic to hear an ERJ FO lecturing a turboprop guy about lowering industry standards!

Ever fly into IAH in the late 80's early 90's? The B gates were full of mainline aircraft flying mainline flights. Now they're full of barbie jets flying "regional" flights that span the country and even leave the country by pilots making less than half of mainline's wages. Those are the routes YOU'RE flying that YOUR company "stole" from mainline. Meanwhile you're ****ing and moaning about a true regional that flies truly regional routes at a true regional payscale. Those are the routes that belong on a turboprop because tp's are WAY more cost efficient, even if you double the crew's pay.

To call for everyone else to quit their jobs or not apply for those jobs on principle "to improve the industry," while you go get in your jungle jet and fly a route that was mainline just a few years ago is hypocritical and laughable!

Erm, aren't you a "barbie jet" pilot? By the way, nobody "steals" flying from the mainline; the mainline carrier gives that flying out as their needs change. Also, a lot of XJT routes simply follow a 737 around all day to work cleanup and bring the leftovers that the mainline flight can't carry (i.e. why would you send another 737 to pick up 50 people when you could just send an ERJ?).

I simply believe that you're too caught up in the term "regional airline," trying to pigeon-hole carriers into a label that doesn't really fit. A better name, IMO, would be "supplemental airline."

I haven't gotten that memo yet, although information at Colgan isn't exactly evenly distrubuted throughout the system so I'm not surprised.

I don't think you're getting his point - he himself isn't complaining about rj guys stealing flying.. he's talking about rj guys who complain about other regional guys stealing flying. see the difference?

Clueless
 

Yeah we "stole" them, a majority of you people on here or so delusional its ridiculous. Get a clue, Mainline Pilots GAVE UP SCOPE, NOBODY STOLE ANYTHING MAINLINE PILOTS GAVE IT AWAY, THEY WERE TO GOOD TOO FLY "BARBIE JETS".

I am so sick of coming on APC to find urinating matches between one regional and another, we all want the same thing, so stop contributing to the problem and start becoming a part of the solution.. Get involved, support each other and educate those that think being an "airline pilot" is worth the low wages, low respect and long hours.

Couldn't have said it any better

Bahah! I love it. But I agree, I've had nothing but good luck jumpseating on XJT.

If I did get denied a JS for political reasons, then after that there is only one person I would deny a JS on my plane, and thats the douchebag that denied me. Not his company. Lets leave them out of it.

I'm friends with plenty of XJT'ers, and while we joke back and forth a lot, I don't sense any sort of real negativity between the two. It's all in jest.

EXACTLY my point! :)

Yes, I too fly a barbie jet. But you don't hear me calling for Colgan guys to quit or people to boycott taking jobs there to improve the industry. My point is that such a call is hypocritical if I turn around and get in my ERJ and fly a formerly mainline route.

You missed my point Saab. I have never, and will never accuse any regional of stealing mainline routes, which is why I used quotes. I totally agree that the blame for the current state of regionals lies completely in the laps of mainline MEC's for giving up their scope. But, regional guys at XJT, CHQ, SKW, etc have no business looking down their noses at Colgan or anyone else and saying that people there shouldn't have taken those jobs because it lowers industry standards when the same could be said for us.

Given where we're at now, the only real answer to improve wages and qol is for the MEC's at the union shops to hang tough in their negotiations and for the non-union shops to get a clue and organize. It's time we demand better and not settle for anything less than we deserve!