Yup. For those mesans who may not have the long-term picture, here are some things you can expect to see:

- Gross miscommunication from Mt. Doom. If they say anything at all about the future plans for the ERJ guys, it will be misleading. They will want you to go quietly to the slaughter...it's important for the DAL 900 operation that the ERJ ops not totally fall apart at the end. Look out for yourselves...JO won't do that for you, in case you hadn't figured it out.

- MAG System Seniority WILL NOT, WILL NOT, WILL NOT be respected when they re-align the workforce. Due to shortage, some senior guys will be allowed to bid into the CRJ (but only as many as they can train); everyone else will hit the pavement. The company is NOT going to furlough ANY junior CRJ drivers, and then pay to train ex-ERJ folks to fill their shoes. They will claim Force Majure and then drag out any grievances for years...most of those affected will be long-gone by the time there is any resolution.

- Junior Assignments to HI. Make sure you get a space-positive ticket, Hawaiian will not likely accomodate mesa jump seaters ("sorry, our 767 is weight restricted at sea level today"), and UAL already put out the word to deny the JS to those mesa types being re-assigned to HI.

- This is situation is exactly what JO was waiting for...an inversion of the pilot supply/demand equation. Anticipate immediate calls for mag alpa to execute a concessionary contract...since you have no work rules left to give up, that will mean a pay cut. Unless you're willing to risk a high likelyhood of shutting the company down for good, you're not going to win on this contract.

 

net loss is 21 airplanes we already were losing 8 ERJs and we still are taking 7 more 900's by the end of the year. as others have already stated about understaffing the company isnt going to let anyone go, they need them all to fly the CRJ. Yes the Street captain thing is probally not going to happen now, but it could happen sooner then later with all these 300hr guys that came on line last year.
So i get to either displace to the CRJ in JFK or get the F out of New york i cant really complain about that. The sky isnt falling as some hope. Who knows JO could get the Boot.

 

I doubt there will be any furloughs or concessionary contracts going on at MAG. Ornstein is a snake of a businessman. Don't be surprised if an announcement is made in the coming months that he has placed 36 ERJ's with another carrier. All is not lost for the pilots. This will, I believe, put a hold on contract negotiations.

I have doubts that Ornstein will be able to find a home for the ERJ's as profitable as the DLX flying has been. Freedom is one of the biggest money makers for Ornstein, and this blow will certainly put MAG in a precarious situation if he can't place those planes.

Good luck MAG pilots. As much as I dislike your company, it would be devastating to see any jobs lost due to the likes of Ornstein.

 

If we didn't post, then nothing factual would ever be posted about Mesa.

Thanks for the kudos, I'll keep it up.

 

Hawaiians as in population, the people of Hawaii.

Got it now, tx.


Originally Posted by flybywire44
Whats wrong with your face flycrj200?
I meant to ask the same thing... For a while I thought you were related to Janet Reno...

 

Nobody is going to be placing any 50 seaters with anyone other than the budweiser factory...ever (unless it's in the third world).

The majors can't wait to get rid of the 50's they currently have...that's why DAL picked this moment in time to play the performance card with mesa.

 

Tell that to UAL and XJT out of IAD. There's flying out there but its scraps that continue to fall off the Mesa wagon, much like the freedom flying ASA will be covering.

Other than that, I agree, 50 seat RFP's are dead.

 

I have to disagree. 50 seaters are definitely going to decline, but there will always be a rather large market for them. Especially given the current scope clauses in place at the majors. DL has already reached the maximum amount of 76 seat aircraft in the DCI fleet, and jets that size aren't allowed under the CO banner in any form.

50 seaters still make a huge amount of money if utilized properly. Many of the markets they are used in have huge premiums on ticket prices that offset the cost of the aircraft's inefficiency, and many of those markets can't support a larger aircraft and are beyond the efficient range of a turboprop.

Yes, the 50 seat fleet is going to take a beating, but 50 seat flying and RFP's will keep coming, especially as we see the less stable regionals taking hits.

 

Good Luck Mesa guys, ya'll don't deserve being treated this way and i hope you stand up for yourselves...

 

I could not have said it better!!!!!!!!