DL Cuts All Freedom ERJ's
04-02-2008 | 03:24 PM
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I have to disagree. 50 seaters are definitely going to decline, but there will always be a rather large market for them. Especially given the current scope clauses in place at the majors. DL has already reached the maximum amount of 76 seat aircraft in the DCI fleet, and jets that size aren't allowed under the CO banner in any form.
50 seaters still make a huge amount of money if utilized properly. Many of the markets they are used in have huge premiums on ticket prices that offset the cost of the aircraft's inefficiency, and many of those markets can't support a larger aircraft and are beyond the efficient range of a turboprop.
Yes, the 50 seat fleet is going to take a beating, but 50 seat flying and RFP's will keep coming, especially as we see the less stable regionals taking hits.
50 seaters still make a huge amount of money if utilized properly. Many of the markets they are used in have huge premiums on ticket prices that offset the cost of the aircraft's inefficiency, and many of those markets can't support a larger aircraft and are beyond the efficient range of a turboprop.
Yes, the 50 seat fleet is going to take a beating, but 50 seat flying and RFP's will keep coming, especially as we see the less stable regionals taking hits.
Bombardier has not built or taken an order for a fifty seater in several years. Embraer may have a small backlog, but no orders...and I'd be surprised if that order backlog didn't get converted to larger airframes.
There may be some small amount of shuffling for niche markets, but nothing large enough to absorb 35 airplanes...unless CAL uses them to replace the next round of XJET contract cuts. I suppose that's possible since JO will be bidding awfully low.
If oil goes down to $50, then all bets are off of course.
04-02-2008 | 05:11 PM
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The timing of all this is interesting. With all of the slack in the Hawaiin market and the sudden demand for capacity, is it possible they could shift the 145's to Hawaii?
I know JO has publicly stated his desire to move larger/more profitable aircraft out there, but just to fill the gap in capacity left behind by Aloha, they must be considering it. I'm sure it would not come without astronomical costs.
I know JO has publicly stated his desire to move larger/more profitable aircraft out there, but just to fill the gap in capacity left behind by Aloha, they must be considering it. I'm sure it would not come without astronomical costs.
04-02-2008 | 06:55 PM
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This was something that Delta had planned for a while. We(over on the other side of the window) have been hearing about ASA going to South Florida to replace the Freedom flying for about 2-3 weeks before the big announcement. We just kept hearing Freedom will fill holes where needed, predominantly in the JFK area. Anyone know or heard when they are actually gonna start pulling the F8 ERJs offline?
04-02-2008 | 07:50 PM
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From: CRJ2, ATR, CRJ7, E145, 737
The flak that mesa gets, while somewhat cruel, is wholly earned. In a regional pilots eyes, mesa is to our niche in the industry, what the regionals are (in general) to the majors.
Majors feel as if the regionals are taking undeserved flying, that should be flown by them, at cheaper rates.
Anyone at a different regional feels the same way about Mesa.
May the flying go to a more deserving, better performing carrier. Best of luck to all of the F8 pilots who are going to be royally screwed by this.
04-02-2008 | 08:12 PM
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"I've seen that several times and it just doesn't seem necessary"
Well, maybe you'd like to explain why the regional forum has a disproportionately high level of flamebait, infractions, warnings, deleted posts, and locked threads?
That's my point...
Mesa pilots have the right to post here without being flamed. If you can't keep it civil, then it's best to not post. Period.
Well, maybe you'd like to explain why the regional forum has a disproportionately high level of flamebait, infractions, warnings, deleted posts, and locked threads?
That's my point...
Mesa pilots have the right to post here without being flamed. If you can't keep it civil, then it's best to not post. Period.
04-02-2008 | 08:30 PM
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04-03-2008 | 04:23 AM
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"I've seen that several times and it just doesn't seem necessary"
Well, maybe you'd like to explain why the regional forum has a disproportionately high level of flamebait, infractions, warnings, deleted posts, and locked threads?
That's my point...
Mesa pilots have the right to post here without being flamed. If you can't keep it civil, then it's best to not post. Period.
Well, maybe you'd like to explain why the regional forum has a disproportionately high level of flamebait, infractions, warnings, deleted posts, and locked threads?
That's my point...
Mesa pilots have the right to post here without being flamed. If you can't keep it civil, then it's best to not post. Period.
04-03-2008 | 06:20 AM
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From: Right of the Left Seat
Stop by ASA Chiefs Office. Apparently BH told them to tell us that we're getting some of their flying. I don't know how many lines this means for us, but either way its good!
A chief made the statement that if we can stay good on A14 and Completion this will continue.
A chief made the statement that if we can stay good on A14 and Completion this will continue.
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